hkahk Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 Hi there, I'm planning on buying a new computer for my professional business. I use Rhino for modelling, vray4c4d for rendering and photoshop. Also here and there some aftereffects but that's not the main focus. Here is my configuration so far which fits to my budget which is around €2000: As I don't know very much about hardware any serious advice is highly appreciated. Mainboard: ASUS P9X79 CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K Cooler: (here I really have no clue at all?) Alpenföhn Brocken 2 or be quiet! Dark Rock 2 or Enermax ETS-T40-TB or Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 Ram (32GB total): G.Skill DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit F3-1866C10D-16GAB, Ares-Serie GPU: EVGA Geforce GTX 770 SuperClocked ACX 2GB or Gainward Geforce GTX 770 Phantom 4 GB or can I go with a 760 if I don't plan to use GPU rendering too often? EVGA Geforce GTX 660, 2GB PSU: be quiet! Dark Power Pro 10 750W SSD: Samsung 840 Pro series 2,5" 256 GB HDD: 2x Seagate ST2000DM001 2 TB Case: Fractal Design ARC XL Blue-Ray: LG BH16NS40 Let me know what you think :-) Thanks for your help! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdravko Barisic Posted January 14, 2014 Share Posted January 14, 2014 I would go for GTX 770 4GB Maybe even 64GB of RAM, depends of you. And put OUT blue-ray, I do not see the use of it, honestly. Ofcourse, if the it fits the budget leave it in... Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted January 15, 2014 Author Share Posted January 15, 2014 Hi there, I went through some forum posts did a little research and changed a couple of things. Here is my new configuration. Still any advice is greatly appreciated - would you change anything Mainboard: ASUS P9X79 CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K Cooler: Scythe Ashura Ram (32GB total): Kingston HyperX DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit GPU: (still not sure) what about a Gainward GeForce GTX 580 1.5GB is the same price as a gtx 660 PSU: Cooler Master V700 ATX23 SSD: Samsung 840 Pro series 2,5" 256 GB HDD: 2x Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2 TB Case: Fractal Design ARC XL DVD: LG GH-24NS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderSK Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Hi Grischa, nice solid budget, from my experience probably the best high quality/solid price ration without compromising anything but neither going into unnecessary luxury. First, great choice of case. Few things to note, if you chose it based on looks :- ) (if not, then forgive me...). The benefit of ARC or ARC XL is in cooling factor compared to Fractal Define (R3/R4) and Define XL. Since I own 5 fractal cases of the latter, I can attest they cool 4930k just fine with Noctua NDH14 at high clock with single GPU (mostly GTX760). The benefit of ARC would manifest probably more deeply once you go with multiple GPU setup where the additional air-flow would help. It's also the case that's much more water cooling friendly than Define. TLDR: Arc is cool, if you really need super air-flow. But you actually don't, and Define is impecably more silent. And Silent is nice. Cooler: Almost anything goes from the higher end, but, Noctua NDH14 is such a good choice, that unless you don't like it's tamed, but weird image, there's no reason to go with anything else. It's powerful, attacking close to the same level that cheap close-looped systems like Corsair i80/100, but so silent. Combine this with Define you have very, very silent PC. GPU: Not sure why you suddenly included age-old GTX580, which in fact, was extremely good for GPU rendering, but sadly with 1.5GB is obsolete anyway. Any 4GB card will do well, so the choice between 760/770/780/etc... is purely on how much faster GPU rendering you want. I suggest staying with cheap but great 760 and wait what the future holds. Now, regarding the brands for nVidia, it's up for personal preference, but note that they differ in cooling. Some contain the original nVidia reference cooling, which is a plus in multi-gpu setup, but can be louder. Other (Asus/Gigabyte,etc..) have multiple coolers without enclosure, resulting in mostly slighly more silent cooling. I am in favour of the latter. PSU: Both are ok, but at this budget, you can easily afford Gold/Platinum Seasonics. Silent, modular, safe. Ram: There are both low and high-profile modules available, but if you intend to stay with Air coolers for CPU (such as the Noctua), you do not have a choice here. Only low-profile will fit all the slots. You don't sacrifice anything here at all, they all cool the same. It's only nerdy looks. Mainboard: It's good choice, but bear in mind you'll have to upgrade UEFI(bios) before it will acknowledge 4930k. It's easy, safe process, just warning. If you feel saavy, I might suggest much newer Asus X79 Deluxe. It's not that big price difference, you budget allows for it and it has some nice additional features. And much rather,...why not. Edited January 15, 2014 by RyderSK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted January 15, 2014 Share Posted January 15, 2014 (edited) Juraj covered all bases pretty much. Some thoughts / opinions: Cooler: I agree on the cooler: the noctua ND14 is a "classic"...tho I personally used the Thermalright SilverArrow SB-E (even bigger and just as silent). Be careful with the ram selection. High profile heatsinks are simply a deal breaker with those coolers. Above you see a SilverArrow SB-E over my P9X79 Pro, and low profile Samsung 30nm RAM sticks. Clearances are tight! More pics on my relative blog post PSU: you are much safer with the Coolermaster over the bequiet. The CM "V" series, is based on the latest Seasonic 80+ Gold line. i.e. as good as it gets for their money. Mobo: You don't need the Pro or the WS or the Deluxe for a workstation, unless you need dual NICs, a gazillion of SATA drives or better mosfets for overclocking The vanilla p9x79 probably will have a "power delivery" system that will out-do the average 4390K, i.e. you will run into issues with the CPU not being able to run higher, before the Mobo becomes the hindrance, but...some people want it all). The WS ofc adds the ability to add 4x dual width cards, but it is a bigger mobo (not that you cannot fit pretty much anything in a FD full ATX tower). Edited January 15, 2014 by dtolios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paneli Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 In your place I'd never go Kingston. I had a really bad experience with every single piece of equipment I got from them. I prefer G.Skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) Hi there, thank you guys very much for your input! Your comments are quite helpful. Still a bit confused about the RAM though. Here is my "final" configuration: I tried to stay below 2000€ that's why I didn't include all the suggested components. But I still have a bit more than a month untill I'll order, maybe I can upgrade here and there a little :-) Mainboard: (I think I'm fine with the "simple" and solid version - thanks Dimitris) ASUS P9X79 CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K Cooler: Noctua NH-D14 SE2011 (seems to be the "old" but good one) the SilverArrow SB-E is not available here at the moment. Ram (32GB total): here is what I could find - would that fit ??? my favorite (cheap and simple) Crucial DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1008052/? Crucial DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1866_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1109427/? Corsair DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit http://www.alternate.de/Corsair/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1000995/? Corsair DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit http://www.alternate.de/Corsair/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1036128/? ADATA DIMM 32 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit http://www.alternate.de/ADATA/DIMM_32_GB_DDR3-1600_Quad-Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1004872/? G.Skill DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit http://www.alternate.de/G.Skill/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1024548/? GPU: (thanks Juraj - looks like a great one) GIGABYTE GTX 760 4GB GV-N760OC-4GD Rev. 2 PSU: Cooler Master V700 ATX23 (just because it's a bit cheaper than the seasonic) SSD: Samsung 840 Pro series 2,5" 256 GB HDD: 2x Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2 TB Case: (like the idea of a quiet machine - and of course it looks good :-)) Fractal Design Define XL R2 Black Pearl DVD: LG GH-24NS Edited January 16, 2014 by hkahk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderSK Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) In your place I'd never go Kingston. I had a really bad experience with every single piece of equipment I got from them. I prefer G.Skill. Yeah..no. Kingston is probably the most solid Ram seller and statistically the least faulty modules based on few e-shop ratings, and one of the biggest ECC modules provider, while G.Skill is childishly sounding fad for overclocking enthousiasts. I had dozen of bad personal experience with Corsair...does that mean their products sucks ? my favorite (cheap and simple) Crucial DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1008052/? Crucial DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1866 Kit http://www.alternate.de/Crucial/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1866_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1109427/? Corsair DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit http://www.alternate.de/Corsair/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1000995/? Corsair DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit http://www.alternate.de/Corsair/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1036128/? ADATA DIMM 32 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit http://www.alternate.de/ADATA/DIMM_32_GB_DDR3-1600_Quad-Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1004872/? G.Skill DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600 Kit http://www.alternate.de/G.Skill/DIMM_16_GB_DDR3-1600_Kit,_Arbeitsspeicher/html/product/1024548/? I own both the Crucial and the Corsair. I've only bought the Crucial as it was the only in e-shop at time in 32GB sets :- ) All 3 are solid brands, Adata is cheaper OEM. From this choice, I would go with Crucial. Edited January 16, 2014 by RyderSK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 (edited) The Crucial 1866 CL9 kit is the fastest of all listed, and cheaper than the overpriced corsair. EDIT: I would be anal, and match the blue/white color scheme of my mobo (your P9X79 I mean) with blue or white heat spreaders for the RAM instead of the yellow ballistix . But I am weird Edited January 16, 2014 by dtolios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted January 16, 2014 Author Share Posted January 16, 2014 Thank you guys so much! I'll make my final list and post it here soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderSK Posted January 16, 2014 Share Posted January 16, 2014 The Crucial 1866 CL9 kit is the fastest of all listed, and cheaper than the overpriced corsair. EDIT: I would be anal, and match the blue/white color scheme of my mobo (your P9X79 I mean) with blue or white heat spreaders for the RAM instead of the yellow ballistix . But I am weird They do look quite weird,...but I was very surprised how little they are, they are 1/3 shorter than the Corsairs Vengeance LP in height. You can't really see them at all once they sit inside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted January 17, 2014 Author Share Posted January 17, 2014 The Crucial 1866 CL9 kit is the fastest of all listed, and cheaper than the overpriced corsair. EDIT: I would be anal, and match the blue/white color scheme of my mobo (your P9X79 I mean) with blue or white heat spreaders for the RAM instead of the yellow ballistix . But I am weird I think I have to go with the Asus P9X79 Deluxe then to match to colors :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted January 17, 2014 Share Posted January 17, 2014 Don't think that is a wise choice to make on color scheme (especially one I don't like, if you want to go there, go Asus RIVE Black ) You can get white or blue heatspreaders for little to no price difference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 Hi there, I'm now about to order the system. This is the latest configuration: The only things I'm not sure is the RAM and the PSU. A last advice there would be of great help! Mainboard: ASUS P9X79 CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K Cooler: Cryorig R1 Ultimate Ram (32GB total): Kingston ValueRAM DIMM DDR3-1600 Kit, CL11 Crucial DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600, CL 8 GPU: GIGABYTE GV-N760OC-4GD Rev. 2 PSU: Cooler Master V850 ATX23 (the 700 is not available) Seasonic Seasonic X-750 or is this one enough: Seasonic S12G-750? SSD: Samsung 840 Pro series 2,5" 256 GB HDD: 1x Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2 TB Case: Define XL R2 Black Pearl DVD: LG GH-24NS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) Ram (32GB total): Kingston ValueRAM DIMM DDR3-1600 Kit, CL11 Crucial DIMM 16 GB DDR3-1600, CL 8 I would go for a 32GB kit instead of mixing 2 16GB kits even if it is the same product. The settings are optimized for 32GB and they come with matching XMP profiles - you will not be able to run the Crucial @ CL8 with 32GB. And i would take 1866MHz for the 4930K. The price difference between CL11 and CL10 should be marginal, so i would take a CL10 kit. I think you will need a low profile kit for this cooler. http://geizhals.at/de/?cat=ramddr3&xf=2216_DDR3~254_1600~2506_1.50~1126_Corsair~1126_Kingston~1126_G.Skill~1126_Crucial~253_32768~256_4x~1454_8192#xf_top PSU: or is this one enough: Seasonic S12G-750? Yes, it is enough. Even a 650W Seasonic would be enough for a 4930K + GTX760. But i would go for the M12II, G-Series or X-Series to get the modular cable system. The X-Series has a better, more silent "semi-passive" cooling setup. If you take the X-750 look for the newer "KM3". The original "SS-750KM" is already 4 years old. http://geizhals.at/de/?cat=gehps&xf=360_600%7E818_Sea+Sonic%7E366_abnehmbare+Anschl%FCsse#xf_top Edited March 10, 2014 by numerobis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 Hi numberobis, thanks for your reply. The shop where I want to order only has the following 4 32GB kits: I'm buying there because I don't want to put it together myself. Which one do you think fits best? Corsair DIMM 32 GB DDR3-1866 Kit: http://www.alternate.de/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?kind=pcBuilder&componentType=required&articleId=1055135&className=ram&activeClassName=ram Crucial DIMM 32 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit: http://www.alternate.de/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?kind=pcBuilder&componentType=required&articleId=1043892&className=ram&activeClassName=ram G.Skill DIMM 32 GB DDR3-1866 Quad-Kit: http://www.alternate.de/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?kind=pcBuilder&componentType=required&articleId=984617&className=ram&activeClassName=ram Kingston HyperX DIMM 32 GB DDR3-1600 Quad-Kit: http://www.alternate.de/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?kind=pcBuilder&componentType=required&articleId=1024066&className=ram&activeClassName=ram PSU: I might add some more GPU power in the near future. So I'll go for the Seasonic X-750. http://www.alternate.de/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?kind=pcBuilder&componentType=required&articleId=143545&className=powerSupply&activeClassName=powerSupply Thanks again! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Corsair DIMM 32 GB DDR3-1866 Kit: http://www.alternate.de/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?kind=pcBuilder&componentType=required&articleId=1055135&className=ram&activeClassName=ram I would take this one (i have it too for one of my 4930Ks ) But the Alternate price is really quite high... Did you look here?: http://de.toppreise.ch/index.php?a=303195 http://www.kauftipp.ch PSU: I might add some more GPU power in the near future. So I'll go for the Seasonic X-750. http://www.alternate.de/html/product/information/pageBuilder.html?kind=pcBuilder&componentType=required&articleId=143545&className=powerSupply&activeClassName=powerSupply Alternate does not mention if it is the SS-750KM or SS-750KM3, but the photo shows the old one and the datasheet also has -12v with 1A instead of 0,5A like the new one - not sure what is better here btw., but i think i would buy the new one. Btw. here is a PSU calcutator http://www.enermax.outervision.com/PSUEngine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted March 10, 2014 Author Share Posted March 10, 2014 Thanks for your input again! I'm ordering for my german office and I wanted to order from Alternate because they can put the parts together and I would not ahve to do it myself. But the price differences you send me are really quite huge. If I put the thing together myself I would roughly save 200€! Maybe I should go that way... Although I've never done that before...but it doesn't seem to be too complicated. Just one thing about the RAM. If I choose the Corsair or G.Skill mentioned above I get the following message: "Der von Ihnen gewählte DDR3-Speicher entspricht nicht dem JEDEC-Standard. Daher werden wir diesen Speicher auf JEDEC-konforme Timings einstellen" What does that mean? Can I do that myself? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Thomas Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Corsair AX760 is also made by Seasonic but is a little cheaper and has better 80 Plus Platinum efficiency. Not the AX760i though, it's made by another manufacturer. http://www.alternate.de/Corsair/AX760-Netzteil/html/product/1042242/? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 The latest 80+ Gold platform from Seasonic can be found for decent price wrapped inside the Cooler Master Vxxx series logo. I would not worry much about compatibility issues with Asus X79 and either corsair or gskill. At least for 4 stick kits, you should be fine (X79 does act up sometimes with 8* sticks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I'm not sure if the Cooler Master V series is also semi passive. I think the fan of the X-750 only starts above 250W load. And it has 7 instead of 5 years warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 (edited) If I choose the Corsair or G.Skill mentioned above I get the following message: "Der von Ihnen gewählte DDR3-Speicher entspricht nicht dem JEDEC-Standard. Daher werden wir diesen Speicher auf JEDEC-konforme Timings einstellen" What does that mean? Can I do that myself? Sorry, i don't know what they mean... 1866MHz should be JEDEC-standard as far as i know - maybe CL10-11-10-30 is not standard, i don't know. But you could ask Alternate what they would like to change. Can I do that myself? Yes, it's really easy... If you don't want to overclock everything can be left at "Auto" (processor and RAM) and you just have change the RAM setting to the XMP-profile for 1866MHz (and maybe change the frequency of the RAM separately to 1866MHz, depending on the board). Edited March 11, 2014 by numerobis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 (edited) Ok everything is ordered. Finally I decided to put the stuff together myself - we'll see how that goes :-) Thank all of you for your input - it was of great help! Here is the final setup: Mainboard: ASUS X79-Deluxe (just because and it was only slightly more expensive) CPU: Intel Core i7-4930K Cooler: Cryorig R1 Ultimate (it just looks better than the Noctua) Ram (32GB total): Corsair Vengeance LP DDR3-1866 32GB, CL 10 (only 20€ price difference to the G.Skill) GPU: GIGABYTE GV-N760OC-4GD Rev. 2 PSU: Seasonic Seasonic X-750 SSD: Samsung 840 Pro series 2,5" 256 GB HDD: 1x Seagate Barracuda ST2000DM001 2 TB Case: Define XL R2 Black Pearl DVD: LG GH24NSB0 DVD-RW Edited March 11, 2014 by hkahk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted March 11, 2014 Share Posted March 11, 2014 Corsair Vengeance DDR3-1866 32GB, CL 10 Vengeance or Vengeance LP ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hkahk Posted March 11, 2014 Author Share Posted March 11, 2014 Vengeance or Vengeance LP ? Hi thanks for asking! It's LP ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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