Rich O Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Quite true. There's always the issue of communication as well. My comment was tangential, just saying the skill level is certainly there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M V Posted December 2, 2014 Share Posted December 2, 2014 Sorry for your experience but I am kind of glad. It's the day when the sweatshops produce fantastic and cheap renders that I will begin to sweat. For now, these guys own a corner of the market that I feel no competition with. Put it on the shelf right next to all the other Dollar Store crap made in these soul-less art-less sweatshops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StudioRendering Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 Tom, Has happened at our studio about a million times (ok maybe not a million but feels that way) - we've tried using firms in China, India even Argentina that had a reputation for doing good work and no luck, just disappointments. Sometimes it was a bad model, a missed delivery date, or the famous it is $50 to model that chandelier which turns into $500 by the time they are done getting it right.... So Frustrating!!! All I can say is I'm glad that we didn't give up, three years later we found a partnership that worked for us - this partnership turned into a full time hire for the Studio. It wasn't a straight shot either, it took one of our principals some relationship building and hours on Skype teaching which was not an easy investment for us this year. But we knew that if this was going to work out it would need some TLC. I'm Optimistic. I see that opportunities are becoming more geographically universal and I believe talent around the world are capitalizing when they value good work. Good Luck on your search Sonny Sultani - Studio Rendering, Inc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted December 13, 2014 Share Posted December 13, 2014 It's the day when the sweatshops produce fantastic and cheap renders that I will begin to sweat... You probably didn't mean it quite that way, but it is funny all the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericgu Posted January 22, 2015 Share Posted January 22, 2015 Great to read all your post and it is an interesting discussion. But this is the topic we already discussed and I see the two parties are still the same people. I will not suggest anyone "should or should not" outsource, it is your own business, you decide that. But I myself did try outsource and this is what we got on an average quality. I have to say if you want to outsource, it really depends on if you have found a good supplier. Many people in US charging high but also produce poorly. This is a situation in every industry and in every country. It is not because you "outsource or not outsource" cause a disaster, it is because you did not find a good one. Anyway, I am not saying anything as a suggestion, up to you. But if you want to work with us in this way, be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich O Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Great to read all your post and it is an interesting discussion. But this is the topic we already discussed and I see the two parties are still the same people. I will not suggest anyone "should or should not" outsource, it is your own business, you decide that. But I myself did try outsource and this is what we got on an average quality. I have to say if you want to outsource, it really depends on if you have found a good supplier. Many people in US charging high but also produce poorly. This is a situation in every industry and in every country. It is not because you "outsource or not outsource" cause a disaster, it is because you did not find a good one. Anyway, I am not saying anything as a suggestion, up to you. But if you want to work with us in this way, be my guest. Is that example done by someone in the West or in Asia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericgu Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It's my team in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericgu Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Sorry to post twice, I thought the first one didn't go through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 that looks as good as most people. hard to tell at low res though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericgu Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It is good. The most important thing is, like I said, we know what kind of images they are good at. For example, I don't think my team in China is really good at interiors, they can't make some fur effects (for example)every well, you can immediately tell that's a Chinese interior design. However, they are really good at, for example high-rise, master plan or landscape and most night/dusk view. And, my people can produce this image in 1.5 days. (Think about they are working during the night of U.S) I respect all talented renderers as real artists. But some people do need artist but some people just need someone who can visualize good or fast or cheap or whatever. My clients are all developers, this kind of images are good enough for them to talk to the land owners or banks. Why not? But again I am not making a suggestion, everyone has his own business and consideration, nobody is wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It's been brought up that the main issue is not quality but communication and cultural issues. We had a very talented team do some fast food joints and they would have a ceramic tea set placed in with the modern stainless equipment and sometimes it was nerve-racking trying to get a simple change made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericgu Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 It's been brought up that the main issue is not quality but communication and cultural issues. We had a very talented team do some fast food joints and they would have a ceramic tea set placed in with the modern stainless equipment and sometimes it was nerve-racking trying to get a simple change made. Totally true. That's why we at least have someone here speaks Chinese and knows the way they work and think. In my opinion, if they know how to communicate well and know the way we think, they can enter the western market/industry directly, at least, try to. But they don't, or if they try to learn first, it costs them more (time, money, resource...) That's why they need me and my clients need me. My clients got what they want, less expensive and fast, people in China got more work, and I got money. All are happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ihabkalache Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 Suddenly it's about my work ? If you were not wishing to complain and look for sympathy (which few people actually gave you, I don't know why honestly) why did you even start this thread ? There is not point to discussing obvious. I did find the thread very useful. When I worked in the US in 2004 my boss tried outsourcing several times and we had the same problems. First project was modeled great by the top modeler, every project after that was modeled by their beginner modelers so I spend the same amount of time fixing it as if I would have done it from scratch. It is the same story 10 years after... People who work hard need to get paid well so that they can keep up the high quality, bottom line!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inpow watir Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 (edited) Should I feel sorry for you or something then after this rant ? The moment you go for lowest bidder and get what you paid for you're suddenly victim ? Love the hypocrisy of the forum. One moment everyone hates cheap labor (most commonly from East), the next moment they are saviors of your sudden work influx so why not take advantage of the opportunity ? You got burned by your own stupidity and greediness, I am surprised you're actually shocked this happened. Critical thinking would spare you of the obvious. Your forum account is from 2005 that means in 9 years this is where you arrived in business ? Where most of your competition asks more for modeling than you do for whole visual ? How about reconsider and look at yourself instead of complaining of what has been obvious to everyone for years. How will fishing for back pats help you move through this ? Learn and go on, case closed. I do agree with your views (although I am as right-wing as The Economist gets, but not further), but this was strangely off-topic to me, although the relationship vs service is indeed what look admirable. The pointed out hypocrisy (now in really, just general terms, disregarding this thread) is not at expense of people who complain of 'cheap labor' happening (like lot of americans like in your example), but only that minority which both complains of it, or is aware/consider it to be issue for them and*yet*choose to partake in it for the same reason. It's almost pyramid scheme at that point. That does not apply to you at all (or even the general majority who does complaining) but you have to see where that is coming from. love it Juraj.. u pointed out a Dang! Edited March 25, 2015 by inpowwatir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyJ Posted April 2, 2015 Author Share Posted April 2, 2015 No good can be gained from digging up historical bickering my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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