MihaiGuigouas Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 (edited) Hello, I have approx. 1200 EUR to get a new workstation for the following: Archicad 17/18, Sketchup with VRAY and possibly 3dsMAX with VRAY. I have two options: Either a new personal built machine: six core I-7 5820K 3.3 GHz, with 16GB RAM, GTX960 as graphics card, 240GB SSD, 1TB HDD and the rest of hardware OR a refurbished HP TowerZ800 with dual six-core X5670 2.93GHz, with 16GB DDR and NVIDIA QUADRO 2000 as graphics card and 1TB HDD, without SSD. Thanks! Edited February 4, 2015 by MihaiGuigouas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaos M Posted February 4, 2015 Share Posted February 4, 2015 The first built option you mention would cost far more than 1200€. With your budget I would go for a standard 4790K-Z97 built. Something like that: 1 x Western Digital WD Blue 1TB, 64MB Cache, SATA 6Gb/s (WD10EZEX) 1 x SanDisk Ultra II 240GB, SATA 6Gb/s (SDSSDHII-240G-G25) 1 x Intel Core i7-4790K, 4x 4.00GHz, boxed (BX80646I74790K) 1 x G.Skill Ares DIMM Kit 16GB, DDR3-2400, CL11-13-13-31 (F3-2400C11D-16GAB) 1 x EVGA GeForce GTX 760 ACX Cooler Dual BIOS, 2GB GDDR5, 2x DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort (02G-P4-3763-KR) 1 x ASUS Z97-AR (90MB0JL0-M0EAY0) 1 x ASUS DRW-24F1ST schwarz, SATA, bulk (90DD01G0-B10000) 1 x Noctua NH-U14S 1 x Fractal Design Define R5 White, schallgedämmt (FD-CA-DEF-R5-WT) 1 x Cooler Master VS-Series V650SM 650W ATX 2.31 (RS650-AMAA-G1) ... for a total of just over 1200€. I don't know where you are going to buy from (are you Greek, by the way?), so I made a list from a well known German site with best prices per part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MihaiGuigouas Posted February 5, 2015 Author Share Posted February 5, 2015 Hello and thx for your answer. The 1200 figure was because I already have some of the components like case, PSU, HDD. I'm interested about the value (a.k.a "bang for the buck") of a refurbished wokstation (Z800 frum the description) versus a modern non-Xeon I-7 CPU. From a GHz point of view the old workstation seems far superior but I think this could be compensated by newer technology. I'm not Greek but from Romania. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joelmcwilliam Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 If you are manly model and sometimes render, then get the cpu with the highest single core speed (i7 4790k (automatic turbo to 4.4 ghz), i7 5820K). If you are manly render and sometimes model, then get the cpu with lots of cores and threads (look for cinebench scores of cpu's to see how they perform during rendering) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadkaiser Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I really don't think any modeling would ever be a problem for any decent cpu i recon a cheap note book would almost handle it. As for the firepro you only have to check out the benchmarks to see that its probably not a big deal however one 5820K v six-core X5670 2.93GHz even after a decent OC on the 5820k will still be probably 25% slower rendering in Vray..... So what it would really come down to for me is hey how bigger power bill is ok for me because duel X5670 will eat power, how important is rendering, and what sort of life i want out of my PC, X5670 are getting a bit old the will probably last a bit but every system i've know something seems to start to go after 4 years maybe i'm unlucky . Things just start breaking weather thats just an pci slot or the whole MB. I would personally get the I7 and OC the hell out of it and enjoy a few years of warranty and no problems however some days you will really miss having that extra cpu no doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaos M Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 (edited) Hello and thx for your answer. The 1200 figure was because I already have some of the components like case, PSU, HDD. I'm interested about the value (a.k.a "bang for the buck") of a refurbished wokstation (Z800 frum the description) versus a modern non-Xeon I-7 CPU. From a GHz point of view the old workstation seems far superior but I think this could be compensated by newer technology. I'm not Greek but from Romania. In any case, I would go for the newer setup. Check this out: 1 x SanDisk Ultra II 240GB, SATA 6Gb/s (SDSSDHII-240G-G25) 1 x Intel Core i7-5820K, 6x 3.30GHz, boxed ohne Kühler (BX80648I75820K) 1 x Crucial Ballistix Sport DIMM Kit 32GB, DDR4-2400, CL16-16-16 (BLS4C8G4D240FSA/BLS4K8G4D240FSA) 1 x Gigabyte GeForce GTX 750 Ti OC low profile, 2GB GDDR5, DVI, 2x HDMI, DisplayPort (GV-N75TOC-2GL) 1 x ASUS X99-A (90MB0K50-M0EAY0) 1 x Noctua NH-U14S ... for a total of 1287€. In case you start with 16gb of RAM the cost would fall down to ~1100€. If you are willing to pay this amount of money for a new workstation, don't choose the old 5670 Xeon and its old platform (1366 socket). Imagine that this particular cpu has a rendering performance lower than the performance of a nowadays quad core (8 threads) i7 4790 (non K). Go for a 5820K for many reasons, most important of which are its far better performance and the fact that it is supported by a brand new platform with all its important new features and vastly improved technology. Edited February 6, 2015 by nikolaosm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I agree with Nik above. Don't go for an obsolete platform, unless you find it dirt cheap. Don't be impressed from it having 2x 6core etc...there are valid reasons these machines are phased out and "killed" in the used market. (pardon my Greek) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaos M Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 I agree with Nik above. Don't go for an obsolete platform, unless you find it dirt cheap. Don't be impressed from it having 2x 6core etc...there are valid reasons these machines are phased out and "killed" in the used market. (pardon my Greek) Pardon my English... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Thomas Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 If you are manly model and sometimes render, If only... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MihaiGuigouas Posted February 6, 2015 Author Share Posted February 6, 2015 Thank you very much for your answers, it seems I will go for tre I-4770k or I-7-5820 depending on the final price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 Thank you very much for your answers, it seems I will go for tre I-4770k or I-7-5820 depending on the final price. Make sure you go for the 4790K and NOT the 4770K. The architecture is identical, the socket is the same, but the 4790K (not 4790, only the K) is notably faster out of the box, as the clocks are much higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaos M Posted February 7, 2015 Share Posted February 7, 2015 Make sure you go for the 4790K and NOT the 4770K. The architecture is identical, the socket is the same, but the 4790K (not 4790, only the K) is notably faster out of the box, as the clocks are much higher. + the fact that it has slightly lower temps compared with a 4770K for clocks up to ~4.5-4.6GHz (above this oc frequency temps are noted to be more or less identical). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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