garyarnold Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 Intel i7 5820k (6x3.30GHz-15MB cache)(w/HT)-0verclocked. Or Intel Xeon E5-1650 v3 (6 core HT) 15MB cache, 3.5GHz Turbo (in a dell Precision tower). I'm currently a novice user of 3dstudio. Which processor should I go for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaos M Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Especially if you are planning to overclock, I think you should go for the 5820K with a good cooler. The E5-1650 is more expensive and non oc'able and would perform slower both in modeling and rendering compared to a 5820K (edit: oc'ed of course). But if your models are quite simple and 32gb of RAM seem more than enough for your needs, while heavy rendering isn't going to be your main occupation, maybe you should go for a 4790K with a good Z97 board. It's a good system to start with and performs better in every day use and in every single threaded task (modeling in 3ds max is one of them). It is worse in rendering compared to a 5820K (almost 40% slower), but this should be determinant for your choice only if you are planning to render complex models (you mentioned that you are a novice user of max, like myself, so I suggested that your models will be simple and not very demanding in rendering power). Only you know, of course, what your modeling goals are with 3ds max. Edited March 20, 2015 by nikolaosm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyarnold Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) Thank you mate. I will quickly learn to render complex models as I am an architect and require photo realistic and contextual renders with reflections of photographs of the site in the glass etc. As such I think I should go for the CPU that is less likely to inhibit my development. Many thanks for confirming the i7 is better because on the face of it and given the dell salesmans adamant conviction that the Xeon is better than the i7 I was really doubting it. And it isn't easy to get impartial and honest advice when dealing with salespeople. Edited March 20, 2015 by garyarnold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaos M Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 The 5820K is better only if you are planning to oc, as you noted in the previous post. At stock speeds the Xeon would be slightly faster. Taking into account that a 5820K costs about 200$ less and with a decent cooler can easily be oc'ed at 4.3-4.4GHz, then the answer seems simple. The main + of the Xeon is the huge amount of RAM supported compaired to the 5820K that has an upper limit of 64gb. But I think there are only a few professionals in CG that really need more than 64gb of RAM right now. Most of 3ds max users should be happy with 32gb I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyarnold Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 thanks again mate. i have 2 quotes both of which have 32GB and the cost is very similar as you can see below: OPTION 1: Case : IPW-HWE Case (Fractal Design Define R5 Black or Titanium) - Corsair® RM650 - (Gold Eff.) 650W - Modular Mainboard : ASUS® X99-A Mainboard (3x PCI-E [3.0] x16 / 8x DDR-4 / USB & SATA 3.0) Graphics Card(s) : NVIDIA® QuadroTM K4200 - 4GB GDDR5 [1x DVI / 2x DP 1.2a] - (1344 GPU Cores) Hard Drive (1) : Samsung® EVO 850 Series - 500GB - SATA3 - SSD [540MB/s (Read) / 520MB/s (Write)] - 5 Year Warranty Hard Drive (2) : Seagate "Barracuda" 3TB - 7,200rpm - SATA3 - 64MB Cache – RAID 1 Hard Drive (3) : Seagate "Barracuda" 3TB - 7,200rpm - SATA3 - 64MB Cache – RAID 1 Hard Drive (4) : None Optical Drive(s) : LiteOn® 24x DVD±R/RW/RAM - Dual Layer (S-ATA) - Black Sound Card : Intel® High Definition Audio (7.1) (Realtek Codec) Network Card(s) : Intel® PRO/1000 Gigabit LAN Operating System(s) : Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional Edition (64-bit) OEM CPU(s) : Intel® Core i7 5820K (6x 3.30GHz - 15MB Cache) [w/ HT] - Professionally Overclocked Memory : 32GB ‘Major Branded’ DDR-4 - 2133MHz (PC3-17066) (4x 8GB) Mouse / Keyboard : Microsoft "Business" Desktop - USB Keyboard & Mouse (Black) Warranty Terms : 3 Year(s) Return to Base (RTB) (Inc. Parts and Labour) – or “Swap Out” Hardware Replacement Miscellaneous Upgrades : Intel® TS13X Water Cooler Price : £2280 OPTION 2: Dell Precision Tower 5810 685W Chassis 1 Intel Xeon Processor E5-1650 v3 (Six Core HT, 15MB Cache, 3.5GHz Turbo) 1 32GB (4x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC 1 No Media Card Reader 1 500GB 7200 rpm Hard Drive 2 4TB 3.5inch Serial ATA (5.400 Rpm) Hard Drive 1 Integrated Intel AHCI chipset SATA controller (6 x 6.0Gb/s) - SW RAID 0/1/5/10 1 Heatsink for single CPU T5810 1 8x Slimline DVD+/-RW Drive 1 UK/Irish/MY/SG/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh/HK Power Cord 1 Chassis Intrusion Switch 1 Asset Tag - ProSupport (Website, barcode, Onboard MacAddress) 1 Order Configuration Shipbox Label (PO Number, Ship Date, Model, Processor Speed, HDD Size, RAM) 1 T5810 Regulatory Label 1 Nvidia Quadro K4200 4GB (2 DP, DL-DVI-I) (1 DP to SL-DVI adapter) 1 Internal Speaker 1 Dell USB Optical Mouse - MS111 - black 1 UK/Irish (QWERTY) Dell KB212-B QuietKey USB Keyboard Black 1 C6 SATA/SSD 2.5 Inch BOOT, plus 2x matching 3.5 Inch Hard Drives (Integrated Controller) 1 RAID 1 Price: £2,306.21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 The Dell precision will most likely cost far more than $200 vs. a similarly speced home-built PC. Even if it was "just" $200 and even if O/C was not really a posibility, I would opt for the 5820K, and drop the $ for a better GPU, other periferals or just keep it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyarnold Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 Thanks Mate. Both quotes are shown below. similar prices so the cost is irrelevant its just about which is the better performing machine for 3d studio max from novice to good level. OPTION 1: Case : IPW-HWE Case (Fractal Design Define R5 Black or Titanium) - Corsair® RM650 - (Gold Eff.) 650W - Modular Mainboard : ASUS® X99-A Mainboard (3x PCI-E [3.0] x16 / 8x DDR-4 / USB & SATA 3.0) Graphics Card(s) : NVIDIA® QuadroTM K4200 - 4GB GDDR5 [1x DVI / 2x DP 1.2a] - (1344 GPU Cores) Hard Drive (1) : Samsung® EVO 850 Series - 500GB - SATA3 - SSD [540MB/s (Read) / 520MB/s (Write)] - 5 Year Warranty Hard Drive (2) : Seagate "Barracuda" 3TB - 7,200rpm - SATA3 - 64MB Cache – RAID 1 Hard Drive (3) : Seagate "Barracuda" 3TB - 7,200rpm - SATA3 - 64MB Cache – RAID 1 Hard Drive (4) : None Optical Drive(s) : LiteOn® 24x DVD±R/RW/RAM - Dual Layer (S-ATA) - Black Sound Card : Intel® High Definition Audio (7.1) (Realtek Codec) Network Card(s) : Intel® PRO/1000 Gigabit LAN Operating System(s) : Microsoft Windows 8.1 Professional Edition (64-bit) OEM CPU(s) : Intel® Core i7 5820K (6x 3.30GHz - 15MB Cache) [w/ HT] - Professionally Overclocked Memory : 32GB ‘Major Branded’ DDR-4 - 2133MHz (PC3-17066) (4x 8GB) Mouse / Keyboard : Microsoft "Business" Desktop - USB Keyboard & Mouse (Black) Warranty Terms : 3 Year(s) Return to Base (RTB) (Inc. Parts and Labour) – or “Swap Out” Hardware Replacement Miscellaneous Upgrades : Intel® TS13X Water Cooler Price : £2280 OPTION 2: Dell Precision Tower 5810 685W Chassis 1 Intel Xeon Processor E5-1650 v3 (Six Core HT, 15MB Cache, 3.5GHz Turbo) 1 32GB (4x8GB) 2133MHz DDR4 RDIMM ECC 1 No Media Card Reader 1 500GB 7200 rpm Hard Drive 2 4TB 3.5inch Serial ATA (5.400 Rpm) Hard Drive 1 Integrated Intel AHCI chipset SATA controller (6 x 6.0Gb/s) - SW RAID 0/1/5/10 1 Heatsink for single CPU T5810 1 8x Slimline DVD+/-RW Drive 1 UK/Irish/MY/SG/Sri Lanka/Bangladesh/HK Power Cord 1 Chassis Intrusion Switch 1 Asset Tag - ProSupport (Website, barcode, Onboard MacAddress) 1 Order Configuration Shipbox Label (PO Number, Ship Date, Model, Processor Speed, HDD Size, RAM) 1 T5810 Regulatory Label 1 Nvidia Quadro K4200 4GB (2 DP, DL-DVI-I) (1 DP to SL-DVI adapter) 1 Internal Speaker 1 Dell USB Optical Mouse - MS111 - black 1 UK/Irish (QWERTY) Dell KB212-B QuietKey USB Keyboard Black 1 C6 SATA/SSD 2.5 Inch BOOT, plus 2x matching 3.5 Inch Hard Drives (Integrated Controller) 1 RAID 1 Price: £2,306.21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikolaos M Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 (edited) I agree, but these branded workstations have the advantage of big warranty packages and usually with a next buiseness day on-site service. For some professionals who only have one ws at work, this is a very important offering. Of course, I am well aware of their disproportionately high price and I know that for the same price one could get a far better and quicker ws, and, most important, with the freedom to choose every single part carefully. The dell's and hp's I've seen so far have only one part or two that really count, usually the cpu and an ssd in some cases. The rest... are just fundamental (I've seen 4770's on 45$ H81 motherboards in many cases). But, some people want lower risks in this field and are willing to pay a premium. If a psu or a mobo in a home-built pc fails, then the RMA process would last at least 1-2 weeks, and that's a lot of time to stay without a basic working tool for most users. Edited March 20, 2015 by nikolaosm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garyarnold Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 Thanks for the different insight. As the computer is for a home PC for learning and professional development the on site support is not critical. I would not expect the machine to go wrong during the first 3 years of covered warranty and if it did I wouldn't want the machine in the first place. It seems that the i7 over clocked is the best machine for my current purposes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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