simonm Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Hi all Lately my wrist and fingers (right) are getting quiet sore from constant use of the mouse..... the mouse i have is a RAT 7 and i only really use it for 3DS Max/Modelling (no gaming)... just wanted to get some opinions on other mouses out there that can help with general soreness? Ive looked into products like the 3dconnexion but not sure if its one of those things that look better than what they are..... anyone got any suggestions? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Amen Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Those really helped me a lot: http://www.fittingpc.dk/forside.htm And I use a Wacom tablet from time to time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Forreal Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 i used to have the same problem. a while back i upgraded to a Razer mouse which, dare i say it, seems to be a similar kind of mouse to the RAT. that helped for a while, but eventually i started aching again and decided to have a go with a tablet. that definitely helped, and now i use the tablet for most things, but keep the mouse handy and switch between the 2 every now and again to ease the repetition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Change hands. It sounds a little daunting but you'll be surprised how quickly you adapt. I'm right handed and right now I'm mousing left-handed. If I feel ANYTHING I immediately change hands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Thomas Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I changed to a semi-vertical mouse at work and have had no problems recently. At home I use a Func MS-3, which is a larger size mouse that feels quite ergonomic to use too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryannelson Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 Having an ergonomically adjusted workstation is important. Pay attention to relieve stress points on your tendons - edges of your desk etc... anything that can pinch your muscles and tendons while you work, any unnecessary friction will cause pain over time. Drink lots of water which helps lubrication of your joints and tendons and take breaks too. I find that drinking lots of water causes me to take lots of mini breaks, which works out well. I find that my right pinky finger goes numb with bad posture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasperjanssens Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I had serious pain in my wrist a few years ago from mouse use. After a while I realized that the most strain in my muscles came from pushing in the middle mouse button which you do constantly in max for navigating. I now use a very ordinary Logitech mouse but it has some buttons at the thumb. With the Setpoint software (made by logitech) i set those buttons as the MMB... Problem solved since then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beestee Posted April 16, 2015 Share Posted April 16, 2015 I had serious pain in my wrist a few years ago from mouse use. After a while I realized that the most strain in my muscles came from pushing in the middle mouse button which you do constantly in max for navigating. I now use a very ordinary Logitech mouse but it has some buttons at the thumb. With the Setpoint software (made by logitech) i set those buttons as the MMB... Problem solved since then! Same here. Map a thumb button to MMB. I have been wanting to try a rollermouse but I feel the cost is too high for what ultimately would be an experiment. 3D Connexion has a new mouse with a big MMB that looks interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonm Posted April 17, 2015 Author Share Posted April 17, 2015 thanks for the replies so far - im going to check them all out... price isnt a factor as it impacts my health and lifestyle so I can skimp on this one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 hand strengthening and dexterity exercises will be far more beneficial in the long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasperjanssens Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 Yes indeed, you can check out Powerballs for that, https://powerballs.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dombrowski Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I've been using an Evoluent vertical mouse for several years and my wrist aches are gone. The build quality is somewhat lacking (the rubber detached from the scroll wheel on my old v3, and the chrome finish on the thumb rest is flaking off on the v4 I use now). But ergonomically, I think it's great. A couple other people in the office picked one up after trying mine out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmaknev Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 (edited) I was begining to feel pain in my wrist after allnighter, it didn't seem to go away for the next 2 days, so I tried to change from ordinary mouse to a wheel mouse to keep my hand stationary while the thumb is doing all the movement. Its been 2 years since that allnighter and so far so good with Logitech m570: http://www.logitech.com/en-us/product/wireless-trackball-m570 One thing I found annoying is the scroll button, it is a bit far and hard to click for the index finger, but thanks to the logitech software it was easy to assign the scroll/middle button to the one near the wheel. they also don't lie about battery life, it can really run on 1 battery for over a year! Edited April 17, 2015 by artmaknev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larissa Holderness Posted April 17, 2015 Share Posted April 17, 2015 I use a Wacom tablet for everything - 3DSM, Photoshop, ... literally everything. This is because I get sore wrists if I use a mouse. It has helped DRAMATICALLY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter M. Gruhn Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 For me, wrist angle was the critical item. I have zero trouble these days because I make sure that my setup keeps the line from my forearm to my hand straight. Trouble comes back very quick if I simply sit in a taller chair so my wrist is bent back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Vella Posted April 18, 2015 Share Posted April 18, 2015 I second the wacom tablet. I had to wear a brace on my wrist for a year after getting RSI from using the mouse. At one point I was recommended surgery to fix it, and that was not an option for me. I switched to the wacom and after a year I was back to normal. I now switch between the two 50% of the time. I also started exercising regularly so I wouldnt be surprised if that helped too lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomasEsperanza Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 (edited) I second the Evoluent Vertical Mouse - the "vertical" position is more naturally relaxed for the hand than the horizontal position. You can feel this just by holding your hand out (with your elbow where it would be when mousing) and just turn your hand between 45-90 degrees (so your thumb is higher). You can feel the radius bone untwisting and moving more in alignment with the ulnar which reduces tension of the tendons. I use several of the suggested options here; the navigator (left hand), the wacom (right), a mouse (I find the Logitech Performance MX is nice to use, it is subjective so try first) and the vertical mouse. Sometimes a change is as good as a break. Also check these out: http://www.pukme.com/product.php Edited April 20, 2015 by TomasEsperanza Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justin Hunt Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 It takes a bit of training, but relaxing your grip is also a great help. I do a lot of drawing with a black fineliner. I have found that if I relax my grip on the pen I end up with far more control over the shading. I tried this approach with my mouse and was amazed at how much it helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M V Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 A friend of mine had a lot of wrist issues and he went over to a vertical mouse. Took a little time to adjust but thats all he has used for years now. https://evoluent.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted April 22, 2015 Share Posted April 22, 2015 I've always just used the bog standard Logitech mouses, but on my latest mouse the middle mouse button is very hard, so an upgrade might be worth looking into. For those who use Wacoms, how do you manage without a middle scroll wheel in 3Ds Max and Photoshop? I share an office with illustrators, and they swear by wacoms and never use a mouse. Cheers, Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blank... Posted April 26, 2015 Share Posted April 26, 2015 For those who use Wacoms, how do you manage without a middle scroll wheel in 3Ds Max and Photoshop? You change how you work, and get used to it. For me it's: - CTRL+Shift+Left Click (drag pen on tablet) = pan - ALT+Shift+LC = Orbit - CTRL+ALT+LC = Zoom I have a touch version so you can also drag your fingers on the tablet for zooming. And there's also a "scroll" button on the pen itself, but it just feels flimsy so i avoid using it. Photoshop, the same, ALT+Space+drag left/right = zoom in/out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadkaiser Posted April 27, 2015 Share Posted April 27, 2015 That mouse that you have is seriously heavy just get a light mouse ~90g or less and (i would) change sensitivity of your mouse so you only ever move it a few inches 2-6 inch........ or maybe your just working to much and you just need to replace that mouse with a beer If you want additional buttons get a Logitech mouse G402 G502 If you just want just mouse get whatever the CSgo community is recommending they seriously care about mice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simonm Posted April 27, 2015 Author Share Posted April 27, 2015 Hi all I have purchased the evoluent vertical mouse 4 and it has been GREAT! It does feel a little plasticy and it took 2 or so days to get used to, but it has already relieved me of my wrist pain. The natural resting position of the hand when using the mouse takes pressure off the forearm which as a result, takes pressure off the wrist - makes sense when you think of it logically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larissa Holderness Posted April 28, 2015 Share Posted April 28, 2015 For those who use Wacoms, how do you manage without a middle scroll wheel in 3Ds Max and Photoshop? I share an office with illustrators, and they swear by wacoms and never use a mouse. Cheers, Dean For 3DSM, I have mapped the upper tablet pen button to be the middle mouse button pressed down. I never use the scroll button for zooming in 3DSM since it tends to cause viewport issues. Not sure what the scroll button does in Photoshop... never use it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eagle_ear Posted April 30, 2015 Share Posted April 30, 2015 any unnecessary friction will cause pain over time:rolleyes: For me, wrist angle was the critical item I was begining to feel pain in my wrist after allnighter, it didn't seem to go away for the next 2 days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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