heni30 Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Yikes! A day and a half to do an urban nightlife scene. Luckily client knows a lot about rock climbing and nothing about renderings. His main priorities - Big signs, big Empire State Building, bars and restaurant. Trace over acad drawings to model building. then Photoshop to the rescue. Pull out bag of tricks: birds........check foreground couple.............check foreground tree branches...........check blimp with humorous reference to his business........check lens flare........check use one tree throughout.........check use dodge tool to simulate light effects...........check Receive Paypal payment upon delivery with message "it's perfect..." Dream client! Edited May 12, 2015 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris MacDonald Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I would never, ever get away with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) That's why I'm kinda making fun of the whole thing and calling him a "dream client". It's a hodge podge but at the same time it does have nice dusk hdmi, nice couple in the foreground and I've been doing PSD people for a long time and not everybody could get away with just haphazardly throwing people in randomly. This approach was definitely an exception to the rule but as a said, the short fuse dictated using quick shortcuts. It also illustrates what layman priorities are. I know most people here would groan at the lack of detail on the sidewalk/street but for the normal guy it's not a deal breaker. Edited May 14, 2015 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris MacDonald Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I've been doing PSD people for a long time and not everybody could get away with just haphazardly throwing people in randomly. Not meaning to be a d*ck, but it doesn't strike me that you've got away with it either? Maybe I am missing the point or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Not meaning to be a d*ck - Strong opposing views welcome. No, I mean it's good enough for the client's purposes, given the time constraints, and it could be a lot worse. Obviously he was satisfied. Also poking fun at the fact that half the things I used are cliches that were listed in the "things that annoy you most in renderings" thread. (couldn't find a night-time white Audi at the right angle in time.) Edited May 12, 2015 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris MacDonald Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Gotcha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Just stumbled onto these: http://www.climbingbusinessjournal.com/metro-rock-goes-to-brooklyn/ http://bushwickdaily.com/2015/05/rock-climbing-facility-metrorock-from-boston-is-coming-to-bushwick/ http://brokelyn.com/building-walls-bushwick-getting-rock-climbing-gym/ They're getting a lot of mileage outta that.................shoulda charged more. I hope they don't get shot down for the MetLife blimp being transformed into the MetRock blimp..........forgot to erase Snoopy Edited May 12, 2015 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Penaloza Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 Well here is the deal, for me at least. I know where you coming from George, well have to do projects sometimes quick and dirty when there is time crunch. God knows there is tons of work I did that I try to forget about it. But after a while I decided that the good old saying "you are always as good as your last work" should be my motto or principal. I should be careful or at least think twice how quick or how dirty I am willing to work. Money is money and if it does not come today it will tomorrow. Sometimes you think "sure I'll do this quick and get the money and forget" but as the links you are showing now, any of your work can get a lot of exposure and it is inevitable that someone will ask who made that, for good or for bad, and you won't be there to explain, "this is not my best nor my standard" you'll get judged for that image, and this can be good or can be really bad. If I get a short run project, I have to decide if it is worth monetary Vs the effort that I will put on it. We all have to feed our self and family but again, that single image can help you or not in a long run and once delivered there is too little that you can do. If the client rush me and push and by experience I know it will end up sloppy, I try to avoid that project and if I truly need the money, I make understand the client what it should look like, not what he think he like. After all they are asking you to do that project, because they like your business, the way you work, so they needs to understand. nor that image you are posting here sucks, but I know you can do way better.. Don't let the rush slave your art Fco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted May 12, 2015 Author Share Posted May 12, 2015 (edited) Thanks for the reply, Fco. That's an excellent point you make about the exposure your work gets through the media. It's a real conundrum because if I would have said "No, that's not enough time to do my normal high quality work", a big chunk of change would have gone out the window - especially because you can charge a rush fee and the short time frame means you're making more $ per hour. I guess it's easier to do when you have a lot of work coming in and you can pick and chose what work to take on. But you don't always have the luxury of being able to do that. My daughter just got into NYU on a full tuition scholarship but the living expenses are still 20K/yr. - a brand new extra expense that we didn't have before. So basically you've got to weigh each situation individually. Another option is developing a quick style that looks good - kind of sketchy so that it is what it is and it doesn't look like a failed high quality photo-realistic rendering. It might not be possible though, the two approaches are characteristic of very different temperaments. Like I don't think Rafael had a sketchy style. Edited May 12, 2015 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Penaloza Posted May 12, 2015 Share Posted May 12, 2015 I totally understand you, and agree with you, and believe me I don't have hundred of people asking me for work, not even two at the time but with what I explained early, I always ask my self "how much that money really worth" Any ways I am not saying I have the absolute true any ways, it is my way to approach this very issue that we all have. To me also this is the good answer: Another option is developing a quick style that looks good - kind of sketchy so that is what it is and it doesn't look like a failed high quality photo-realistic rendering. You could create three styles that won't sale your soul but they can server different budgets and time. To me when there is a tight crunch, The bare basic is a Photoshop painted CAD elevation, then a nice sketchup image and then photo-real image. With this the client understand what he will get and how long and budget he needs. To be honest you not always need a 3D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 tbh i don't feel you tried very hard on the CG side of this! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted May 13, 2015 Author Share Posted May 13, 2015 (edited) You're right - it's more of a collage. There wasn't really time to model 3 restaurants and 2 bars plus urban-scape accessories and then do materials and lighting tests. I may have a chance to redeem myself, though, if the Realty company wants to develop the rendering further to suit their own specific marketing needs to attract tenants for the ground floor spaces. I get the feeling they're not going to want the 3 giant screaming Metro Rock signs and they might want a more unifying design theme that ties everything together. Then maybe we can get those trees and lamp posts spaced properly! .......and that blimp becomes the Cayuga Capital Management blimp. Edited May 13, 2015 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcellabbe Posted May 13, 2015 Share Posted May 13, 2015 It also illustrates what layman priorities are. I know most people here would groan at the lack of detail on the sidewalk/street but for the normal guy it's not a deal breaker. That's not my experience. Some normal guys think we're all Pixar studios and that we can create an entire scene with just a few clicks. Good for you if your client is satisfied with that. I also had to do rush job for client who didn't care about details. I can somehow understand the need for expediency (although, most of the times you realize it's because they didn't plan carefully and think we can do it fast anyway). What i'm sometimes surprise is the choice of color that make me think 'really, you want me to make this part of the house mustard yellow? i'm certainly not putting that one on my site!' I suppose there's no accounting for taste! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmaknev Posted May 14, 2015 Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) I would've put a mountain in the background as well, cuz you know, its the Rock Climbing equipment store! Paypal payment upon delivery with message "it's perfect..." Thats nice! I usually get "it's perfect...BUT" Edited May 14, 2015 by artmaknev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heni30 Posted May 14, 2015 Author Share Posted May 14, 2015 (edited) Ha! or a giant graphic of King Kong climbing the empire state building clutching a fainted blonde. ..........with a caption like "Quit monkeying around and get serious about rock climbing!" Then it would really say NY! Edited May 14, 2015 by heni30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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