tdarcy Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 I heard a report from our Autodesk suppplier that Autodesk is withdrawing support for viz as a stand alone product from Jan 2005, has anybody heard any similar reports ? Cheers, TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Nope. At least.. not yet... Everything is possible with the "automatic table" company though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 rumours. my dealer told me viz was officially being dropped before viz 5 came out. i suspect it'll be cut down sooner or later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Like Strat, I had also heard that Viz 4 was going to be the last release of Viz. I think a lot of us were suprised this Viz 2005 happened at all. Right now, I think the future of Viz is still undecided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 I've not heard it being dropped, at least not for the next version, but it should be. Just my 2 cents. Bringing back VIZ was the worst decision they made. MAX should have been made 'the' tool like they originally planned when MAX6 came out. Politics..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 it's a drag though. by all intents and purposes, minus a few 'extras', viz 5 is a max 6 clone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jd0000 Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 you save a lot of money if you don't need all the extra stuff max has for particles and animation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Great. Having just convinced the company I work for to buy Viz this news is not good. It has taken me ages to persuade them. Arse! All of the Autodesk partners in the UK have sent me quotes with a years subscription. None have mention this. There doesn't seem to be any point in subscribing to a product for 2 months worth of updates! Money grabbing b*****ds! Whats the next best package that can handle Vray....... Grumpy Geoff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Great. Having just convinced the company I work for to buy Viz this news is not good. It has taken me ages to persuade them. Arse! All of the Autodesk partners in the UK have sent me quotes with a years subscription. None have mention this. There doesn't seem to be any point in subscribing to a product for 2 months worth of updates! Money grabbing b*****ds! dont panic. it's only rumours. completely unfounded. whatever happens im sure autodesk wont leave it's loyal Viz users in the lurch. Whats the next best package that can handle Vray....... Grumpy Geoff other than max? nothing yet, until it become stand alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Right now, I believe only Max can utilize V-ray, but just because we have heard that Viz is going to be dropped eventually, doesn't mean that it will. Also, I would be pretty sure that when/if they drop it, they would offer some sort of side-grade to max that would make it economically fair for anyone who bought viz in the recent past. They would possible transfer your subscription to a Max subscription as well. Could be wishfull thinking but its possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El_Che Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 I am using VIZ 5 at the mo, and it's great, mental ray has been integrated and you can use as well Vray....I do a lot of architectural vizualisation and you don't need the full MAX, it will be a waste of software to purchase MAX to do Vizualisation. I strongly disagree with Jeff even though I respect him, but having MAX and VIZ as two different software is the best idea they had, otherwise many architectural or vizualisation companies would never have purchased MAX due to cost. The company that do MAYA did the same, the split MAYA into FULL and standard or something like that, in order to reduce cost and get the market for companies that don't really need the full thing...basically they want to take over VIZ market. Salut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 Well that works for smaller companies that do not do large scale and complex visualizations. While VIZ features were added to MAX a while back, I somehow get the impression that by bringing VIZ back this time, they intend to take the two down two completely different paths and will attempt to target different vertcial markets and perhaps not be able to keep the two file formats completely compatible. Just my guess anyay. Unfourtunately big visualization firms can not use VIZ becuase it's too limiting in many cases. I guess only time will tell, and Discreet has flip flopped many times about how they target the market and with which applications, so we wait and see. I still think they shoudl have stuck to their promise to make MAX the arch Viz platform and scrap VIZ. But that's only my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 From what I understand the real reason Autodesk would have for dropping Viz is of course... money. For architectural firms they want to sell them on Architectural Desktop, a more expensive product which has viz render built into it. Never mind that it sucks (imho), and that you can't add render plugins to it. For visualization artists they want us to buy Max, also a more expensive product. There is certainly a market, albeit a small one for Viz, which is probably the only reason it has hung on as long as it has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Island J Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 I like VIZ, just as i liked Lightscape If they do away with VIZ i hope all the VIZ users will lobby for Vray to plugin to SketchUp. Then we can tell Autodesk what to do with max for $4,000 that is....until Autodesk buys it On a more serious note, the users should be dictating the market not the software gaints, after all, we are ones spending the money. Look at RPC, thousands of dollars invested...for about 20 objects that cant be manipulated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tdarcy Posted November 16, 2004 Author Share Posted November 16, 2004 Hi Guys, Sounds like I touched on a passionate subject, As I mentioned the info came from our authorised autodesk reseller but whether he knows exactly whats going to happen will remain to be seen. Sometimes it seems that the resellers etc. don't realy have their fingers on the pulse unlike the people on these forums who actually use the software. Its a pitty that there was no way to ask Discreet the direct question and recieve a truthful answer. I for one use and like Viz and have just recently bought V-ray to plug into it so I hope I haven't wasted my money. On the point of v-ray does anybody know if the watered down viz which is built into ADT 2005 will run V-ray, as apparently our office is about to be upgraded to 2005. Cheers, TD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted November 16, 2004 Share Posted November 16, 2004 On the point of v-ray does anybody know if the watered down viz which is built into ADT 2005 will run V-ray, as apparently our office is about to be upgraded to 2005. I'm almost certain Vray will not work with Viz Render, as is the same with any other plug-ins. It is not watered down, it is waaaay different. Tried it a couple of times & hated it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Alexander Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I heard a report from our Autodesk suppplier that Autodesk is withdrawing support for viz as a stand alone product from Jan 2005, has anybody heard any similar reports ? Cheers, TD Could they have meant that "3D Studio Viz" up to v3 or even "Viz 4" is no longer supported? Meaning that the current version and subsequent versions will have support offered for them, only! Because I know for sure Jan 2005 is the end of support for Acad 2000i based products http://www.adskhost.net/6308/index.htm#web1 and believe that 3D studio viz up to 3 was included in a similar situation. Cheers WDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Can somebody please do a spell check on the subject line! It's driving me crazy every time I look at it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kris B. Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hi, My current Viz 2005 subscription is soon to expire, so I asked my dealer what was happening with Viz and should I be considering cross-grading to Max. I don't feel like spending $470 (Australian) for a Subscription if there are no updates planned. This is what my dealer emailed me. Dear Kris, Thank you for your reply. I'm, at this very moment, waiting for a price update on a crossgrade of VIZ to MAX. Autodesk have not announced any imminent upgrades of VIZ; however, I suspect that, considering previous years' release dates, that we're likely to be informed of an upgrade in the next few months however, the final decision is Autodesk's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Matthews Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Hello all. There was an IT convention at the University of Florida today. A representitive from Autodesk was there doing some PR. I asked him if Autodesk plans to stp producing Viz and he told me no, not as of right now. He also said that Viz and Max have met at a fork in the road as of last year, and now Viz is going to be more and more geared towards architecture and Max is going to be geared towards animations, gaming, characters, etc. So as of today, there are no plans of dropping it. I also asked why the hell they dropped Lightscape. There was a long silence before I walked away from the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Its a pitty that there was no way to ask Discreet the direct question and recieve a truthful answer.I don't think they always know where things will go long term at times either. People within the company change, mandates change, markets change. I think all that is certain is that you will know at the very least every year the direction for the upcoming year. Past that, it's a roll of the dice. By flip flopping their direction all the time they have definetly undermined the confidence of the industry, that is for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Matthews Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 I agree. "The only thing in the universe that is constant is change." -Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrCAD Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 well I heard viz 2006 is on alpha test at the moment..so dont think they would drop it...seems like some sort of rumour. anyways a rumour of "lightscape 4.0" would be good to hear tho.. meher http://www.mr-cad.com http://www.drapefx.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Cassil Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 He also said that Viz and Max have met at a fork in the road as of last year, and now Viz is going to be more and more geared towards architecture and Max is going to be geared towards animations, gaming, characters, etc. This is what Jeff is talking about being disruptive and undermining the consumer base. There are a good many of us who use Max in Arch Viz, because we like the ability to do more with animation or for whatever reason. If they decide to take the two down separate roads and start implementing features into Viz that don't go into Max, where does that leave those of us who use Max for Arch Viz? Are we supposed to "down-grade" to Viz? Then what about doing some higher end animation in Arch-Viz? Seems like a no win situation to me. I'm of the opinion that Max should always have all the features that Viz does, plus the animation, effects, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael-k Posted November 17, 2004 Share Posted November 17, 2004 Great. Having just convinced the company I work for to buy Viz this news is not good. It has taken me ages to persuade them. Arse! All of the Autodesk partners in the UK have sent me quotes with a years subscription. None have mention this. There doesn't seem to be any point in subscribing to a product for 2 months worth of updates! Money grabbing b*****ds! Whats the next best package that can handle Vray....... Grumpy Geoff Dont be affraid, before the 2005 version, all Viz users could upgrade to 3dsmax 5 or was i 6 that time for a small cash. So I belive if they drop Viz, they would make a good offer for 3dsmax upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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