Why no Enscape for 3dsmax?

[bradkelley]

Can anyone tell me why Enscape won't offer their rendering addon for 3dsmax? They've got it for Revit, Sketchup, and Rhino, but still no Max. I like the effects and appreciate the simple interface over how involved VRAY can get. I posted a question on Enscape's website about this, but they always give sort of vague or non-committal type answers. Does VRAY just have such a stronghold on Max that Enscape doesn't feel they can compete there?

Thanks in advance for any thoughts!

[Scott Schroeder]

It's pretty much not worth it to offer Enscape for Max. Enscape is meant to be a gap filler between rendering in a software package with bare bones installed rendering capability (Revit, SketchUp, etc). If you are in Max, you generally are already better than what those software packages hold, so why go backwards?

 

Plus almost all of the Max based procedural textures are not compatible with anything other than in Max rendering. So you would have to either get support for those, or have Max's material be limited to diffuse+bump single maps only.

[Chris MacDonald]

There's no market for it. It's for people like my boss/colleagues who don't want/need to learn how to tweak every last detail. It is to rendering what Sketchup is to 3D modelling, and selling to the exact same crowd. We've been getting some excellent results out of it, though.

[M V]

There's no market for it. It's for people like my boss/colleagues who don't want/need to learn how to tweak every last detail. It is to rendering what Sketchup is to 3D modelling, and selling to the exact same crowd. We've been getting some excellent results out of it, though.

 

I take great offense to the attitude that Sketchup (and Enscape) is for 'dummies'. I use both all day every day in a professional environment and have produced imagery better than some of the things I see in the gallery page here done in Max. The tool doesn't matter, its the person behind the mouse that makes the art.

 

The nice thing about Enscape is that it is a one click solution for VR. In 5 minutes, I can take any SketchUp model I have worked on, and walk through it with the Oculus Rift. Clients and colleagues love it. I guess you can do this with VRay and Max if you have a monster of a workstation to handle it.

[Scott Schroeder]

I take great offense to the attitude that Sketchup (and Enscape) is for 'dummies'. I use both all day every day in a professional environment and have produced imagery better than some of the things I see in the gallery page here done in Max. The tool doesn't matter, its the person behind the mouse that makes the art.

 

The nice thing about Enscape is that it is a one click solution for VR. In 5 minutes, I can take any SketchUp model I have worked on, and walk through it with the Oculus Rift. Clients and colleagues love it. I guess you can do this with VRay and Max if you have a monster of a workstation to handle it.

 

They way I saw the comment, and I fully agree with it, is that SketchUp took a lot of the mystery out of 3D in order to allow more people to do it. I think of SketchUp as an automatic transmission and Max as a good ole manual transmission. You still need to learn how to drive, but it is a lot easier to find reverse, you don't have to worry about the clutch, or grinding your gears into a fine powder.

[Lewis Garrison]

I think of SketchUp as an automatic transmission and Max as a good ole manual transmission. You still need to learn how to drive, but it is a lot easier to find reverse, you don't have to worry about the clutch, or grinding your gears into a fine powder.

 

Holy shit! Such a good analogy. I agree completely.

[M V]

I do think the arch viz community tends to look at SketchUp as Crayola crayons, maybe even the crappy ones you get at TGI Fridays with the kids menu. I just get pissy about that attitude. I laugh at you guys because you're all slaves to the Autodesk machine! I just cant bring myself to even want to learn it.

[James Vella]

Curios now MV, can we see some of you gallery images?

 

Is this your work?

https://issuu.com/matthewvalero/docs/valero_studio_architectural_illustr

 

http://www.valerostudio.com/V2/

Edited November 15, 2017 by redvella

[Francisco Penaloza]

I do think the arch viz community tends to look at SketchUp as Crayola crayons, maybe even the crappy ones you get at TGI Fridays with the kids menu. I just get pissy about that attitude. I laugh at you guys because you're all slaves to the Autodesk machine! I just cant bring myself to even want to learn it.

 

I think we all have learned that generalizing does not ever apply in this type of forum because honestly you never know who is in the other side, how long they been doing this or how really much you know what you are talking about.

Saying that the 'Arch Viz' community looks down to Sketchup is total, wrong, Yes there was some push and talk at the beginning of Sketchup, but with time this tool has proved itself and something as valuable as REVIT or AutoCAD.

 

Also, the comment of "We are Autodesk slaves' well dude, really, do you know how thing work in the USA Architecture industry?

Yes, you can call it slaving, other called it Standard, you can still use whatever the heck you want it, Blender if you Fancy, but data and Files exchanges may get very complicated and time-consuming and most deadlines are not flexible.

 

Life is not Black and White as some people may like, there are many variations of gray.

Let us try to stay focus to make this ArchViz better and not compete who has the biggest D!@#@ick.

 

Regarding the original question, I also think that Enscape was designed with a no Visualization professional in mind.

Many Architect would like to be able to render their own images without the need of waiting for an Arch Viz specialist to do it. Many time you'll need 'quick' image, that all, because that long time ago Sketchup was the trend, you could do very decent or a pro looking images with no time invested. Today, that's not enough, and Tools such Enscape, Lumion, Twinmotion they come up to fit that role.

 

Why would you want an export from Max to Lumion?? same thing for Enscape.

[Chris MacDonald]

I take great offense to the attitude that Sketchup (and Enscape) is for 'dummies'.

 

Well, it is. I'm not sure why you've taken that to be a bad thing though? Surely a program being more accessible to the masses is a good thing. Obviously you can push it as far as you want, but its main user base is amateurs who just want to have a dabble in 3D - nothing to be sneered at.

 

The tool doesn't matter, its the person behind the mouse that makes the art.

 

I know? This has been said here ad nauseum.

 

The nice thing about Enscape is that it is a one click solution for VR. In 5 minutes, I can take any SketchUp model I have worked on, and walk through it with the Oculus Rift. Clients and colleagues love it. I guess you can do this with VRay and Max if you have a monster of a workstation to handle it.

 

So you use it for the exact same stuff as us then.

 

I just get pissy about that attitude.

 

You do. Which is odd, considering I never wrote it with any kind of attitude, and even reading it back can't find any. I am an absolutely enormous proponent of Sketchup (and Enscape), so I find it quite odd that I'm having to justify that to be honest.

Edited November 15, 2017 by Macker

[M V]

Curios now MV, can we see some of you gallery images?

 

Is this your work?

https://issuu.com/matthewvalero/docs/valero_studio_architectural_illustr

 

http://www.valerostudio.com/V2/

 

yes

[M V]

Well, it is. I'm not sure why you've taken that to be a bad thing though? Surely a program being more accessible to the masses is a good thing. Obviously you can push it as far as you want, but its main user base is amateurs who just want to have a dabble in 3D - nothing to be sneered at.

 

 

 

I know? This has been said here ad nauseum.

 

 

 

So you use it for the exact same stuff as us then.

 

 

 

You do. Which is odd, considering I never wrote it with any kind of attitude, and even reading it back can't find any. I am an absolutely enormous proponent of Sketchup (and Enscape), so I find it quite odd that I'm having to justify that to be honest.

 

I guess I do owe you an apology. Sensitive artist type, I am.

 

I get frustrated that the SketchUp professionals don't get taken seriously in our industry.

[James Vella]

Its good to see different techniques ☺️ I like the hand drawn look to those facades. I just seen SketchUp released a free web version, should be useful for those who want to learn, theres some modelling tools i wish max had by default (the window tool and measurung tools are fantastic).

[beestee]

I read this article a while back and this discussion reminded me of it. Basically, considering yourself and expert can be dangerous if you work in an ever-changing industry like ours.

 

For me, referring to yourself as an "expert" in any field assumes the position that you have reached your fullest potential. It implies you have attained a thrilling pinnacle in your career and that your thirst for knowledge in a particular subject has been quenched.

 

In today's fast-paced world of technological advances, how is it possible for any of us to occupy the seed of "expert"? How could we ever keep up?

 

Now what if we simply replaced the term "expert" with "student"? The perception for some, is that you just demoted yourself. But push your ego aside for the moment. By definition, a student is a "learner", "someone who is studying", "someone who takes an interest in a particular subject", "someone who is always questioning, searching, exploring, observing, evolving and pushing the boundaries". This mindset invites an insatiable hunger. It also grants us permission to absorb content in a self-paced manner and not be held accountable for knowing everything.

 

How to Change Your Mindset in One Word

[Kevin Alter]

Sketchup is a solid presentation tool, but not a serious modeling or design tool. Offering Enscape to only novice designers, is a recipe for disaster. Chaos Group should, and likely will, give serious consideration to 3DS Max.

3DS Max user since (3D Studio Max R2 Athena) 1998.

 

Edited August 19, 2022 by Kevin Alter