DAN212222 Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 right my student loan is due in soon.. and i really want to put the money towards a new computer... even tho the gf wants us to go back to thailand... right any ideas what type of system i can get for 1400.00 pounds.... any links to useful info would be greatly appreciated as i dont really know what ype of specs i would be needing... cheers dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 i'd spend it on a new Fender Twin amp if i were you. most of my student loan went towards paying for my Strat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 right my student loan is due in soon.. and i really want to put the money towards a new computer... even tho the gf wants us to go back to thailand... Here's a silly thought--put the money into education costs. Maybe the term 'student loan' means something different over there. My wife still has a 'student loan' open, and when it's due we pay it. She got it to finance her Master's Degree. What do you do in England? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Ernest I think maybe you mis-understood him. He's saying he's getting his money from the loan soon, due IN. I don't think he means that he has to pay it soon. If that is correct, I would definitely get a computer. Thats the first thing I bought when I was going to college and I wouldn't have done well without it. Save some money and put it together yourself. Search the threads here and you will find lots of advice on what kind of parts to put in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 ....don't spend it on beer. i made that mistake. not saying i didn't enjoy it, but paying back bar tabs several years later isn't something you will enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Ernest I think maybe you mis-understood him. He's saying he's getting his money from the loan soon, due IN. I don't think he means that he has to pay it soon. I got that. I also got that ideas in play for what to DO with the student loan were new computer, vacation with girlfriend, guitar amp. I was simply suggesting that paying tuition is an idea, too. But what the hell do I know--I never had the opportunity to attend college. I may be out-of-touch with today's student. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Nelson Posted January 27, 2005 Share Posted January 27, 2005 Oh, sorry. When I applied for my wife's student loan, I requested a few thousand more than the actual cost of tuition. That way I would have some extra money during the time she wasn't employed. It was a good idea too, because I really needed it & now it's pretty much gone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAN212222 Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 well strat iw as tempted to buy a base guitar oh yeah lol.... ive already got a computer but its starting to struggle with the complex models im starting to work on... im hoping to do some freelance work when i finish uni or even set up depening on need in my area so the computer would hopfully be on of my set up costs which would already be sorted if i buy it soon... im in my second year of a electronic media design course.... first year i put a new kitchen in my house, and a new settee oh yeah and went to thailand, im going to thailand with my first installment this year.... hey i know i should be using it to live off but i work part time while im at uni as an architect technician still pulling in some decent cash so my student loan can be spent as how i best see fit..... i think the above things i have done with my loans are a lot better than weeing it up the wall... at the bar.. cheers dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 first year i put a new kitchen in my house, and a new settee oh yeah and went to thailand, im going to thailand with my first installment this year.... I give up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I give up. hehe... I'm sorry... it's funny. I just imagined the expression on your face when you saw that he renovated his kitchen with his student loan. I agree with you Ernest. Home loan is for the house, student loan is for SCHOOL... not vacation or a new fridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Alexander Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 well strat iw as tempted to buy a base guitar oh yeah lol.... ive already got a computer but its starting to struggle with the complex models im starting to work on... im hoping to do some freelance work when i finish uni or even set up depening on need in my area so the computer would hopfully be on of my set up costs which would already be sorted if i buy it soon... im in my second year of a electronic media design course.... first year i put a new kitchen in my house, and a new settee oh yeah and went to thailand, im going to thailand with my first installment this year.... hey i know i should be using it to live off but i work part time while im at uni as an architect technician still pulling in some decent cash so my student loan can be spent as how i best see fit..... i think the above things i have done with my loans are a lot better than weeing it up the wall... at the bar.. cheers dan Must be one hell of a high paying part time job. Hey maybe you could get moe on that student loan if you bought a Fender and fender twin amp, then got money for lessons:D. Hey why not just build a recording studio in your house and go for a dual major? tehetehe Gotta love it, entitlements (oops student loans)- abuse, even if just in jest WDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted January 28, 2005 Share Posted January 28, 2005 I give up. LOL. I totally agree, but to my best estimation most people live way beyond their means, amass unnecesary debt and collect credit cards like they are playing cards. Call me crazy, but I'd take out a little as possible and pay it back as soon as I could. Then invest all the money you saved in interest on something that appreciates in value like a house, or put into into your 401K (RRSP in Canada), or maybe even invest it. There is my 2 cents well spent in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAN212222 Posted January 28, 2005 Author Share Posted January 28, 2005 hi jeff thats what i have done when i was working as an technician full time i bought a house with my partner and have seen our house price double in two years... but i then decided that i do not want to do technical drawings all my life so i went to uni full time to do electronic media deisgn... my collegues at uni all get student loans which they spend drinking... i have done things to my house which add value.. pretty much because a student loan in my eyes is a low rate loan.. i have not got any other debt apart from my student loan which i will pay back as soon as possible as i also dont buy things and put them on tick... as debt is the only thing that scares me about been an adult... lol anyhow we completly going off target and getting to much into my spending habbits which are completly under control lol//// computers what can i get for 1400.00 oh yeah i be working full time again in the summer so hopefully pay off the best part of this years student loan anyhow..... cheers dan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 It must be different in the UK... In the US when we get a student loan 90% of it ends up paying for the tuition since it can be up to $40,000 for the year. Then whatever is left will help you pay for an crappy apartment in a bad part of the hood, food (moslty ramen noodles), books, and maybe one beer for the whole year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 whatever is left will help you pay for an crappy apartment in a bad part of the hood, food (moslty ramen noodles), books, and maybe one beer for the whole year. Damn! Look what I missed by not going to college. That and the merciless studio crit. Of course there was also that whole 'education' thing. Actually, that was my life from 16 - 19, so I had to work hard to get a nice apartment, a car, and eats. (Somehow I always managed the beer, however). Once I had managed that--earning a decent living as a renderer--I saw no reason to go to college (that was because I was uneducated, and ironicly destined to stay that way) but also no financial way to do so. But my wife did (we have been together forever). It was a lot of years before we went on a vacation, bought an amp or computer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Hello... My triplets now are almost 20 years old and are going through the university at the same time. I am the bank....! Fortunately they have scholarships, but I still have to help them with an apartment they have and an older car they share. I have been recommendiong to them to study one of the traditional careers. This mean longer times in college. We will figure out the money situation. I understand the young kids....! Life has changed. When I was young, technology was not so advanced, so a 4 or 5 year degree was enough to make you self sufficient. Now technology is so advanced that these college and universities need more time to program a brain. The kids are not willing to do these long term sacrifices and put up with all the misery of no money while in college. They use their loans to live. They need a kitchen to prepare their meals in order to save money. This winter I had to buy two desktops and one laptop for the kids. Dan just needs a computer to further his education and he is asking us for our advice. I think nobody have responded to his question. Dan, go with an AMD they are less expensive. You don't need the latest CPU, the difference between the latest and the previous one could be up to 50% while the performance difference is only 5 to 10 percent lower. I am still not sure about this, but I would stick to a Xeon or an Opteron kind of chip. I would buy as much "fast" memory as possible and a nice video card. Hardrives are another issue. I love the raid systems. I have SCCI Raids and I have SATA Raids. The SCCI raids end up costing 4 times as much and are definitely faster than SATA Raids. In theory the new SATA format if placed on a Raid configuration is supposed to get very close to the speed of a 320 SCCI raid. Dan, a computer is a foremost tool for your education and it will be a worthwhile invesment for your loan money. Education is not a competetion about time or money. In fact it is not a competetion at all.... it is a quest to acquire the necessary skills to go out there and beat the system. The system that will try to make you a middle class or perhaps poor class worker. Time and money is not critical, acquiring skills is the important issue. Travelling is also part of your education process... use the money for travels that will expand your views and perceptions of our world. Specially now that we are becoming a global community. If this means you have to work harder at your part time job, let it be...! Remain focus on what you are trying to do, have a plan and be consistent.... BUY THE COMPUTER.....! Good Luck Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McCarthy Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Haha, reading this post is kinda amusing. I agree with Elliot, it's funny that techology changes thing a lot. It also made me realise that why so many people get into CG. In today's world, we all like instant gratification! I find that amusing because I quit my degree in CG and choose the long road of switching to Architecture. Sometimes, I do wonder why I did what I did, when I heard quite a few of my classmates ends up in Peter Jackson's studio. Now back to the topic. Yeh, I remember I did a lot of stupid things with my student loan too. Beer, (sometimes I wonder why they sell beers at campus too! ) Girlfriends.... Well Dan, it's your money and you can spent it however you see fit, but I definitely don't recommend spending it for a expensive holiday for 2 with your girlfriend. Girlfriend may come and go.... As for Amps and computers.. my advice is to buy the best bang for the bucks (like my GeForce 4 card I bought 2 years ago... it is still pretty good card nowadays) Don't spent your money for a top of range card, they are over-rated and you will regret it in 2 months time when new one comes out. Right now, I think GeForce 6600 is the best bang for the bucks 3D card. Plonk one of these in and you should see some performance improvement in your viewport. And don't buy Dual CPU setup. They are overrated, rarely do you even use that "other" CPU. As for memory I have to disagree with you Elliot I don't think the new high speed memory going to make that MUCH difference, and the price you pay maybe too much for that tiny performance gain. What's a few nano-second difference going make? I have 1 GB of DDR400 memory and once the model is loaded I don't feel any different from using some more expensive memory. As for HDD, again, I think I have to advice against buying a SATA HDD. A SATA HDD does NOT make it any faster in real world than a non SATA HDD. Why? because the drive simply is not spinning FAST ENOUGH to pump those data to where it is needed. Right now most SATA Drive cost atleast $50 more than non-SATA one. So, I say save that money and buy yourself a few more kegs of beers! So buy a HDD that spins at 7500 RPM (Do they still sell those slow 5900 RPM drives?!) with some 4 MB of cache. That should be enough and the performance difference to a SATA would be negligible I am guessing since you want an AMP, I would probably spent some budget on a good Soundblaster card... which I advice against. If it's really for "work" or rendering, you don't really need card like that... plus nowadays, nforce motherboard usually comes with VERY decent onboard sound chip that's equivelent of Soundblaster. I havn't have any problem with it so far and couldn't hear any difference, best of all it didn't cost me extra $100 dollars or so to buy that SB card. As for the rest of the component, my advice is just buy what you really need, not what you really want. Oh, one other note, DEFINITELY BUY A GOOD POWER SUPPLY! Something like 450W. You would be surprised how demanding today's hardware are. (Especially graphics card) When you don't supply enough juice to your computer, they really either screw up or slow down... Well, best luck with your moolah Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McCarthy Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 It must be different in the UK... In the US when we get a student loan 90% of it ends up paying for the tuition since it can be up to $40,000 for the year. Then whatever is left will help you pay for an crappy apartment in a bad part of the hood, food (moslty ramen noodles), books, and maybe one beer for the whole year. $40,000 a year? Jesus. Is that in Yen?? I mean, doesn't government do any form of subsidy for student there? $40,000 sounds more like what international students pays over here.... (Our tuition fee is around $2500 USD per year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted January 29, 2005 Share Posted January 29, 2005 Hey Richard, I have a SATA Raid and it is fast.... very close to the SSCI 15,000 RPM Raid. Memory I really agree with you. The faster rating dont really mean that much. It is just a way to get more money from us. I did not have loans as a student. I had a fantastic scholarship from the United States Air Force. The kick is that I had to be in the USAF for 6 years. I really enjoyed my time in the Air Force. We have two friends that decided not to go to college. Now they are multi-millionaires..... I have wondered on many occasions about college. I compounded the problem by doing a graduate degree. Once I heard from an un-educated but intelligent self made wealthy guy that contributed a lot to a local college, explaining he had to support the local college in order to get better slaves for his business. Quite a statement that has been ringing on my ears for a long long time. College is not about a degree it is about getting the skills to get ahead. Some people can get their skills in many other ways. Some of these college degrees offerings are quite interesting and amuzing....! Some are almost a guarantee that you will be upper poor class. Some of these people end up having a very rewarding live. One of my kids is doing a degree in physical fitness. At first I had a little bit of problem with that. Then I realized it is better than what I did, Physics and Astronomy.......! The stars have been in the same place for many years.... they are not going anywhere..... After struggling for a while with what to do with my life, Lightyears and Parsecs really put the field in perspective for me..... He he he On the other hand Einstein died as a middle class proffesor with a great legacy to humanity... See you Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 We have two friends that decided not to go to college. Now they are multi-millionaires..... I have wondered on many occasions about college. I spent a lot of time in college... 4 years of undergrad and 3.5 or grad. I don't regret it at all. I really didn't do it for any other reason that to be curious about the world around me. The best thing I learned in shool is how to learn. I am always learning everyday, and I would not be as good at it if it wasn't for my years in spent in University. If people go to college to make more money they are just kidding themselves. If they go to 7.5 years of to be an Architect and hope to make a lot of money then they are just plain stupid. You just have to walk around hollywood and see that being smart and being rich have NOTHING to do with each other. One of the smartest people I know in the CG industry never went to college... not only is he smart, but he is complettly self educated, and has educated himself in a very well rounded way, language, philosophy, history, CG, etc... oh yeah... I agree... get and AMD, 2 gig (min or ram), SATA raid, and get the best gpu you can for around $200 (nvidia tends to do better then ati for 3d apps). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Once when I was buying art supplies at Pearl Paint (big, old store in NYC) a person working there, after some art talk, asked me where I went to school. I shrugged and said 'school of life'. He said, 'oh, I teach there'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliot Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 Ernest and Christopher, Great remarks by both of you. I really enjoyed my college and education. I did it because it was was what I wanted to do. Working with optics was a very interesting thing for a while, the flying days is a phase which I will never forget and will never regret. I certainly would do it all over again. University is not about money, it is about skills. As both of you very well expressed Money is not directly related to schooling and life is the greatest university anybody could attend! Education is an interesting issue..... Careers selection like other life type decisions is a complex endeavour.... My most serious decision and easiest decision was my 5 children. As I am aging I see life through them...! And it is a wonderfull life all over again. Thanks Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 sound like most of you have very fond memories of university. would any of you like to relive those memories this year and do my thesis for me. i'll let you know the submission date when i get it. thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted February 1, 2005 Share Posted February 1, 2005 would any of you like to relive those memories this year and do my thesis for me I realize it will be a lot of work. But if there is anyone who should do well on their thesis it's you, Alistair. You have shown all the best of what being a student is, curiosity, ambition, hard work, the sense to reach out to others for council, creativity and most importantly, humor. Good luck with it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Posted March 31, 2005 Share Posted March 31, 2005 all my friends who have jobs now say how much they miss college to which I tell them oh hell no. In college I didn't get to sleep, worked my ass off, didn't have any money, rarely got to party, stress out the ass, didn't have much fun. college for me was rewarding but not fun. Now I have free time.. ironically less stress, get to party every weekend and *gasp* get paid for doing virtually the exact same thing I was doing in college but paying tens of thousands to do. so for me college was a great learning experience, rewarding and I had some good times and had some fun times but it wasn't fun overall. I wasn't able to have the "party life" in college i left that up to the buisness and communication majors. j/k. ahh onto computers... fast processor ...amd 64 bit 1gig memory 100gig hd soundblaster live! soundcard fastest vid card you can find. 19" monitiors are nice too. find a site with a configurator and play around Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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