Christopher Nichols Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 http://www.apple.com/powermac/ How can they say these things? "first 64 bit computer" http://www.boxxtech.com/asp/cf_step2.asp?ModelInstanceID=180 "worlds fastest computer" http://www.amd.com/us-en/Processors/ProductInformation/0,,30_118_8796_8800~70045,00.html They must be living in some other world. Sorry, had to rant about this, it just seems silly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 I know...the g5 looks awesome but why do companies blatantly misinform their intended audience? these new babies are not going to some highschool kid. They're going to music and visual professionals who DO THEY'RE HOMEWORK. I already had to explain some of this nonsense over at keyboard magazine's online forum.... not to mention the fact that they compared a dell to a state of the art g5 with all the trimmings...nothing against dells (i have one at work), but let's be fair. I genuinely want to see how they fare against boxxtech or against carillon Audio pc's (for music)... i reserve my judgement till then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 greg, be a hon and go get a fully loaded g5 and test it out versus the new 3dobxx m4...the two shouldn't cost more than $18k....thanks suga Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 How can they say these things? "first 64 bit computer" "worlds fastest computer" They must be living in some other world.Maybe they are right, well, certainly NOT about first 64bit computer part, but fastest? Why not? Does it matter? My experience with the Apple users is that if Apple's sellin' it, they're buyin' it. So whether or not the machine is 'fastest', the Apple cultist will buy it at whatever price they are told to pay, and will feel superior--and never realize that they should just keep it to themselves. It looks like a GREAT machine. I can tell you one thing for sure, it ain't fastest at Datacad, Rhino or Lightscape. But as I am about to start using FormZ and C4D--both MAC-born--maybe I'm missing out on a few percentage points of performance. I sure do rely on Photoshop. Oh, well. I sure would miss the extra buttons on the mouse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 It'll be a long time before I get any G5 over here. The university had their budget cut, so I doubt they'd want to invest in a dual 2.0 ghz G5...when they could buy four decent athlon systems for the same price. As far as I have seen, these things are hella fast. HELLA FAST. When apple says their fast, they ain't $#(&in you. This isn't G4 fast...this is like K6-2 to Athlon XP fast. Are they the fastest computers available at this VERY SECOND?? Well technically yes . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted June 23, 2003 Share Posted June 23, 2003 ...But as I am about to start using FormZ and C4D... You and your toys. Just how many programs do you need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_A Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Not to fuss over semantics but the quote from Apple actually is... "The Power Mac G5 is the world’s fastest personal computer and the first with a 64-bit processor." Spin maybe but the issue was raised. FWIW I wouldn't exactly put the Boxxtech machines (or other Opteron based systems) in the 'personal' (aka consumer) computer category, more like 'Workstations' maybe (noting the capital W)? In any case it's another box for somebody, somewhere(else), to buy soon enough. I personally need a computational 'coffee break' once in a while just to visit good ole' CGA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard McCarthy Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Lightscape runs on mac? I didn't know that. I wonder if it runs any faster on G5 with such large cache' of memory... -RM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Sorry no Richard. It would be funny tho that the dumbnuts at Autodesk have no time to make a better Lightscape on Windows but they port it to the Mac. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 quote:...But as I am about to start using FormZ and C4D... You and your toys. Just how many programs do you need All of them. In reality, I still use the same modeler I have used since 1987, so I'm due for some new tools. I have tried many programs in between, but still use the one I'm used to. But there are tools that are already in FormZ that will never make it to my CAD program, and I've hit the wall with it. I also am trying to get used to Rhino, but there are still things FZ has that it doesn't. And then there is my favorite rendering app-Lightscape, which has been put out to pasture. As Jeff points out in his posts from yesterday, it is having stability problems under XP. As good as it has been, I cannot rely upon it forever, so I want to learn a new, more capable rendering program. I have also tried many of them over the years. We will see if I can get good results from C4D. I'll post my 'first rendering' for fun. who needs a mousebrick when you can use a nice Wacom with a pen.I use both. I am left-handed, but very used to right-hand mousing. Mouse on the right of the keyboard, Wacom on the left. 99% of my day-to-day work is mouse-based in the modeler, or applying materials. And my point is that the PC software uses all three buttons in important ways--a snap is a middle button click. I don't have to go find a menu or accept an automatic snap, its just a matter of which button I click. How would you do that on a MAC with one big button? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Nichols Posted June 24, 2003 Author Share Posted June 24, 2003 Originally posted by Greg Hess: Are they the fastest computers available at this VERY SECOND?? Well technically yes . Really? from a discussion I'm having on the same subject somewhere else: The "PowerPC G5" and "Apple quoted 3.06GHz Xeon" scores were obtained from Apple's web site at http://www.apple.com/g5/. The "Dell Precision Workstation 650 (3.06GHz Xeon)" and "AMD A4800 (1.8GHz Opteron)" scores were obtained from http://www.spec.org/cpu2000/results/res2003q2/ SPECfp2000 base: 2GHz PowerPC G5: 840 Apple quoted 3.06GHz Xeon: 646 Dell Precision 650 (Intel 3.06GHz Xeon): 1053 AMD A4800 (1.8GHz Opteron): 1122 SPECint2000 base: 2GHz PowerPC G5: 800 Apple quoted 3.06GHz Xeon: 836 Dell Precision 650 (Intel 3.06GHz Xeon): 1089 AMD A4800 (1.8GHz Opteron): 1095 SPECfp_rate2000 base: Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5: 15.7 Apple quoted Dual 3.06GHz Xeon: 11.1 Dell Precision 650 (Dual Intel 3.06GHz Xeon): 15.7 AMD A4800 (Dual 1.8GHz Opteron): 24.7 SPECint_rate2000 base: Dual 2GHz PowerPC G5: 17.2 Apple quoted Dual 3.06GHz Xeon: 16.7 Dell Precision 650 (Dual Intel 3.06GHz Xeon): 21.7 AMD A4800 (Dual 1.8GHz Opteron): 25.0 and just for fun: SPECfp rate base 2000 AMD A4800 (Quad 1.8GHz Opteron): 44.2 SPECint rate base 2000 AMD A4800 (Quad 1.8GHz Opteron): 46.1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_A Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Using the 'stock' mouse(brick), the solution is key combinations. 'Control'+click brings up the contextual menus on the single button mouse that a 'right-click' would do for Windows. Some apps handle the third click if they need it with another key+click combination. It's often misconstrued that since Apple hasn't built one you can't do it, but for a few bucks you can buy a 3-button mouse, plug it in, select your button preferences and you've got a multi-button mouse. No big deal. That Intuos2 pen can be set up with multi-function buttons too, and it's got an eraser! eh ingo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Oh yes Chris, the eraser is a lotta fun. You can use it for different tasks, even erasing in your image editor. Its nice tho to use it as a brush in PS, you have a good soft feeling with it (Sorry no benchmarks about that Christopher ). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Using the 'stock' mouse(brick), the solution is key combinations. 'Control'+click... That Intuos2 pen can be set up with multi-function buttons too, and it's got an eraser! eh ingo?I suppose by now you can hit the 'control' key without taking your eyes off the screen. But I still prefer a one-click, no looking away from my work solution. In CAD I can enter points VERY fast--several per second when I know what I'm trying to create, especially snap-tracing over a plan. (The fact remains that we spend more time staring at the screen wondering what to do next than actually creating entities) The buttons on the pen are cumbersome to reach--it requires a somewhat tight bending of your finger. Mouseclicks do not. This may sound silly, but how many point entries would you make in a day? It can be thousands, so a two-motion action is harder on you than a one motion, and if it requires a momentary re-focusing of your vision to see the control or other key to click, you simply won't last the day. CG architectural rendering is an endurance sport. About the Apple--I read the test scores, the G5 seemed to win. In fact, THIS TIME (versus past Apple claims) they even won in floating-point calcs. They used to show integer math scores and claim victory. But this computer is NOT available today. It should only be compared to what Intel/AMD will have on the market in August, when users can buy the Apple. But by then they will already be filled with the idea of 'fastest'. What if the next x86 workstation beats it in August? Too late, the ads have already been run. Anyway, good for Apple and good for their customers. I'm just getting tired of the constant need for comparisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
schmoron13 Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 chris, I'm not sure what your point it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Originally posted by Ernest Burden: I use both. I am left-handed, but very used to right-hand mousing. Mouse on the right of the keyboard, Wacom on the left. 99% of my day-to-day work is mouse-based in the modeler, or applying materials. And my point is that the PC software uses all three buttons in important ways--a snap is a middle button click. I don't have to go find a menu or accept an automatic snap, its just a matter of which button I click. How would you do that on a MAC with one big button? That sound interesting, the mouse in the right hand, the Wacom with the left hand and the keyboard with the nose But seriously i never liked a two or three button mouse, wasn't faster or any better. A one button mouse or pen is still easier to handle for me, additionally some keyboard shortcuts. I try to arrange my software menus so i dont have to search and reach everything with one or two clicks. And than there are those hardcore UNIX guys, that only work via keyboard, it was a hellovafun to watch these guys drawing in Microstation a few years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 My mouse has 5 buttons and I have various commands in various programs mapped to them. One button mouse sounds so 80's I'm left handed too. I have become quite good at painting with the pen in my left and zooming over to menus/icons with the mouse in my right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ingo Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 Originally posted by Ernest Burden: ... Oh, well. I sure would miss the extra buttons on the mouse. You and your toys, who needs a mousebrick when you can use a nice Wacom with a pen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cesar R Posted June 24, 2003 Share Posted June 24, 2003 I actually like the one mouse thing. I just want 3ds MAX to go to MAC !!!!!!! I just bought a G4 powerbook , the 17". it's pretty, but just like any single processor machine its not very good for 3D. I plan to port to Mac by Jan (get a G5) if everything goes well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted June 25, 2003 Share Posted June 25, 2003 I plan to port to Mac by Jan (get a G5) if everything goes well. Using what software to model/render? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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