Ferrari_Italy Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Really simple one so should only require a maximum of three keys to reply! Is the working interface on Viz 2005 Similar to it's Max big brother? I have never used Max but have a work colleague who has assured me he can't work on Viz as he has only ever used Max??? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 not personally used Viz2005, but from my experience, Viz has always been, and will always continue to be, a watered down (features removed) version of Max. Autodesk (I believe) has announced that they will develop Max and release its upgrades, then remove a few features (particles and such) and recompile for Viz. It's essentially the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferrari_Italy Posted February 11, 2005 Author Share Posted February 11, 2005 That's great Eric, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quizzy Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Well, I'm a MAX guy, and this week I had to work at a company who only uses VIZ 2005, and there are some differences, but nothing really serious.. Your colleague is full of.......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I know when I was using Viz 4 the interface was about 90% similar, but that's really not the difference in the programs. I think people who have been using Max for a long time would find it very limiting to go over to Viz. There are just a lot of things that you can't do with Viz, or it's just a whole lot easier to do it with Max. I honestly think they should kill off Viz and concentrate on improving Max and creating some really outstanding features instead of wasting time on striped down version that all the good stuff has been taken out of. Sorry I’m just bitter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbr Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 And make Max cheaper? The problem I have with Max is I am paying for things I won't use (MR, CS, etc.). I'd much rather put the money into a renderer. Viz is nice because when I start buying additional copies, I can save $1500 because I'll only really need one copy of Max for animation or special effects. I am still keeping my fingers crossed that they'll just introduce a modular approach, as most of the competitors have done. Then we can all buy what we need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaPixel Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I think Autodesk bought Discreet because it was their plan all along to "massage" VIZ into a standard, less expensive rendering package for all of their products (ADT, Inventor, etc.). They are allready integrating it's technology into ADT (Viz Render). AutoCAD LT vs AutoCAD Maya Ulimited vs Maya Complete 3D Studio VIZ vs 3D Studio MAX Cheaper vs Expensive Some Features vs All Features... -MegaPixel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 MAX has been an Autodesk product all along. And VIZ existed before DIscreet was acquired. Discreet had all the video products plus Lightscape. Discreet never had a 3D product before it was acquired by Autodesk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaPixel Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 I guess I have egg on my face. I thought there was an event 4 or 5 years ago where autodesk officially opened it's umbrella over discreet, no? We've only reletively recently (3 or 4 years) begun to see autodesk's name all over product support including the subscription plan. Perhaps a history lesson is in order here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 Wasn't Kinetix in there somewhere along the line? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted February 11, 2005 Share Posted February 11, 2005 A little bit of a history - dates are approximate cause I don't remember them very well. 3d Studio was created in 1991 by Autodesk Multimedia. Somewhere along the line Autodesk spawned Kinetix. Kinetix released 3dsmax 1 in April 1996 and VIZ 1 in May 1997. Autodesk acquired Discreet in 1999, and Kinetix was merged into Discreet. Discreet is still a division of Autodesk, just like Kinetix was, so from a larger sense, nothing has changed, MAX and VIZ have always been Autodesk products. Hope it helps, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaPixel Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 So are you saying that Discreet was some company that had nothing to do with MAX/VIZ before it was acquired by Autodesk, and now has everything to do with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abicalho Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Yes. That's what I am saying. BTW, I work there too - in case you didn't know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Alexander Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 Thanks Alexander, So all of this AutoDesk bastardizing 'discreets' 3dstudio max is really just ingorant babble? I love it, so many people talking out of the wrong end LOL. BTW working in viz made the switch to max very easy, seamless for the day to day archviz type stuff and even basic animation-it's all the same. >>OFF TOPIC MBR, Have you ever considered that deep price cut trends are driven by: 1. Gaining market share new product, improved product. 2. Survival of product 3. Never just about just being good to the customer, even Steve Jobs has to watch the bottom line, though that does not show in the 'marketing'. If Max goes that way it's a signal that the Autodesk business 'machine' is or has failed. As far as Max and the discreet division, max lsoing great market share outside of the autodesk pipeline won't destroy it, combustion and the high end compositiors/effects apps make up a very significant part of the sales in $$$$$ of the division. So in the end I don't see a deep price cut just because you and other's just can't afford it- or that autodesk/discreet can't fill your every need. That's why they have competition in the 3D market, for those who feel Max does not suit thier needs. I actually feel the pain $$$ and right now XSI is more painful (to really move above max) not to mention very little AutoCad pipeleine interpolation. Cheers WDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MegaPixel Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 I meant no slander or "bastardizing" of autodesk in anyway by my original post. I was simply misinformed about the 2 companie's origins and I stand corrected. Thank you Alex for clearing up some things. I think however that I'm not the only one around here who tends to treat the two comapnies as divided. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Alexander Posted February 13, 2005 Share Posted February 13, 2005 I meant no slander or "bastardizing" of autodesk in anyway by my original post. I was simply misinformed about the 2 companie's origins and I stand corrected. Thank you Alex for clearing up some things. I think however that I'm not the only one around here who tends to treat the two comapnies as divided. I'm Sorry. I'm not singling anybody out around CGA. More like the Piss 'n' moan threads over at CGtalk flaming about this topic. Everyone around here really is very respectful, albiet passionate about thier thoughts- that's a good thing;) WDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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