Andronikos Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Hi i have a Dual Xeon 2.8Ghz (No OC! ...althought is stable @ 3.21Ghz!!!) ..for rendering (Cinema 4D XL 8) and when the cpus are in idle are about 32C ...but when rendering ...around 50+C! .... this is the case that I have: http://www.enermax.com.tw/cs-1018new.htm ... 2x80mm front fans ... 2X80mm side fans ... 2X80mm rear fans ... 1x80mm top fan... I bought the retail version Xeons 2.8 so I did not bother to buy new heatsinks + fans... I use the stock ones that is all... just asking for other similar systems temps!?? thanx, cy! ...if you want to see one of my rendering visit: http://www.geocities.com/andronikos916 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingeldar Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 u should see my dual mp 2200+ reaching 60 and 75°C at full charge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 As I mentioned on cgtalk...those temps are well in the green range... As for mr king's Dual AMD system...Athlon cpu's start encouring damage over 70C. Either his temp probe is broken, or his computer won't last much longer. For comparison...My Dual Athlon's idle in the 38-42C area, and reach around 50-52C under load Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronikos Posted February 1, 2004 Author Share Posted February 1, 2004 ...I feel better now! ...especially after the 70C Kings Pc (just kidding) :ebiggrin: thanx for the feedback guys! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Knourek Posted February 1, 2004 Share Posted February 1, 2004 Just throwing in my $0.02 for temps. Till I can find a quieter solution with the Intel "Jet" coolers both are running around 27C to 29C idle and around 45C at full load. -dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronikos Posted February 1, 2004 Author Share Posted February 1, 2004 ...David what heatsinks are these? What fans do they have? ..can you post a link? thanx Andronikos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Knourek Posted February 2, 2004 Share Posted February 2, 2004 The heatsinks and fans are the Intel ones that came with the Xeon CPU's. Actually Im rather impressed with the performance of these except for the noise. -dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronikos Posted February 2, 2004 Author Share Posted February 2, 2004 David I have to partially disagree with you, although I do not know the thermal conductivity of the intel's heatsinks...they look good with the fins and the copper design but: Two reasons: 1: 60mm fan? it's sound like we live in stone age to me! too much noise - no cfm! Guys you should include a 60mm to 80mm fan adaptor ! 2. the base of the heatsink is made by aluminium! I prefer copper ... ...see what thermalright is doing and you will understand... that is all, Andronikos P.S. I have two 60mm to 80mm fan adaptors i will try to fit these things to my intel heatsinks... I will post result if I mage to do it... cy! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronikos Posted February 2, 2004 Author Share Posted February 2, 2004 IF YOU BURN YOUR CPU IT IS YOUR FAULT! ...but you save $$$ and render time! ok... I manage to OC my Dual Xeon 2.8 @ 3.36Ghz! ...it seems stable and cool! What I did? 1) I used two 60-80 mmm fan adaptors that I bought from compusa about two weeks ago. 2)...I atach 2 x Thermaltake 80mm fans you can find them here: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=35-999-111&catalog=62&manufactory=BROWSE&depa=1 3) I used Artic Silver 3 ..I recomend No:5 4) Mobo Asus PC-DL deluxe "bios 1.03 settings" fsb 160 and select from hardware monitor -> quite fan disable here are the temps : 2 x 2.80Ghz: temp idle: 30C temp max: 38 2 x 3.36Ghz: temp idle: 31C temp max: 41 ...I do not know the room temp but it was the same in both ocassions ..and here is the perfomance dif. using a scene Cinema 4D Xl 8.0: 2 x 2.80Ghz: 211sec ..................... 2 x 3.36Ghz: 174sec ................. Conclusion: I DO NOT RECOMEND IT! IF YOU BURN YOUR CPU IT IS YOUR FAULT ...So exept from NOISE levels that is like a BOING 747 take off, you can save 21.3% of your render time! That is more than 1/5 faster rendering. that is all, Andronikos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 I wouldn't overclock a workstation... Its your own computer...but I doubt that helps the explanation to the client why your render is late due to a system crash. Keep overclocking to non essential machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Knourek Posted February 3, 2004 Share Posted February 3, 2004 Originally posted by Greg Hess: I wouldn't overclock a workstation... Its your own computer...but I doubt that helps the explanation to the client why your render is late due to a system crash. Keep overclocking to non essential machines. Im inclined to agree with Greg on the O/C issue. I never O/C production machines. And yes the 60mm fans are quite loud but at the moment I'd rather it be loud and cool than quiet and hot. -dave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingeldar Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 my temps are a little strange on dual 2200 i know that the dual 2800 at my office runs around 55-60 at full charge but amd told me i didn't have to panic until my proc reaches 80 or more... anyway i'll soon change both proc 4 2800+ with brand new coolers...... (& i don't know nuttin'bout intel's stuff....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 http://www.amd.com If you look up the specifications on the MP, damage starts occuring at 75C. Your processors are being damaged, and will fail. Either that, or your boards thermometers are busted, in which case its not an accurate temp, and could be way off. I think your thermometers are busted...otherwise your system would be crashing and locking up on a regular basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronikos Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 ..guys I understand what are u saying about not OC a workstation! But in my case the Xeon's are running at 41C max!...after hours of rendering! ..I can not see why not using the full potentiall of the CPU's? ...one more thing that you have to remeber: ...the price for 2x3.2 Xeon CPUs is: 2 x $901 aprox. ...price for 2x2.8 Oc@3.36 Xeon CPUs + coolers is: 2 x $340 + 2x $8.99 ...do the maths and you will see that you can easily buy 4 x 2.8 Ghz Oc at 3.36 easily! ...so what is better ( 3year warranty exists also) 4 x 3.36 Ghz Xeon System or 2 x 3.2 Ghz System with the same $$$... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hess Posted February 5, 2004 Share Posted February 5, 2004 Overclocking introduces variables into a stability equation. You can throw $$$ signs around about saving money on this or that... But what happens if you lose a client because the computer crashed? Overclocking is a very exact science, and generally NOT used on machines running for extended periods of time. I still stand by my recommendation to NEVER overclock a workstation. It is far better to build a workstation "designed" to overclock, and then run it at stock speeds. This insures optimal stability under all circumstances. Performance is always second to stability in the DCC market. Your always one crash away from losing a client. Feel lucky? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronikos Posted February 5, 2004 Author Share Posted February 5, 2004 Ooook Gregg, I guess you know and understand what my point is and I completely understand yours... I agree about OC a workstation, but it is sweet to see that thing rendering! I do not want to continue talking about OC, some people take the risk some not... I personally like to see the limit of my computers and then I leave them in peace...normal clock speeds... ..the only reason that I mention OC a workstation ...and starting discussing about temps and cooling solutions I was so impressted with these fans and the 80mm adaptor - I felt that everybody should know...Even a OC system with these fans is cool...! that is why forums exist... I would like to thank the academy, Andronikos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fran Posted March 4, 2004 Share Posted March 4, 2004 Originally posted by Andronikos: ...one more thing that you have to remeber: ...the price for 2x3.2 Xeon CPUs is: 2 x $901 aprox. ...price for 2x2.8 Oc@3.36 Xeon CPUs + coolers is: 2 x $340 + 2x $8.99 ...do the maths and you will see that you can easily buy 4 x 2.8 Ghz Oc at 3.36 easily!Hi Andronikos, The $340 2.8's have a 512 KB cache. the $901 3.2's have a 1 MB cache. That is why there is such a big price difference. You will not get the same performance gain just by over-clocking the 2.8's as you would by using the 3.2's with the 1 MB cache. Just food for thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lschew Posted March 28, 2004 Share Posted March 28, 2004 hi there, this is my experience. i got my system last year, the spec's P4 3.06. with hyper threading enabled. Gigabyte's GA-8INXP kingston hyper x , 2 x 512 mb running at dual channel system. Asus GF 4 TI4200@128mb asus 16x dvd rom. asus cdrwriter. 2 x 120 maxtor 8mb cache hdd. logitech elite duo. hyundai imagequest 910 19 inches monitor x 2 and the problems: idling temp: 50-55 deg C loading Archicad 8: 60-65 deg C 3D rendering, Art-lantis4.5: 65-75 deg C noise level: very noisy! basically overheat! luckily, it sort out a hotel project in hamburg, and a housing project in S. Africa. in order to address the overheating problem. i got myself a set of Corsair hydrocool 200. it's a water cooling system. gezz, it sort out all the problems i've got. i was rather happy to see the proper power by the cpu. i felt a lot more smoother compared to the conventional fan cooling system. and recently, i decided to upgrade the system. i replaced and added a few hardwares: -Antec 550w true power silent/adjustable psu. -Asus Radeon 9800XT @ 256mb ddr II Ram, fan cooled. 45 min - 75 max deg C. @ 412/730. thinking of water cool it! any one knows where to get a suitable gpu water block for asus 9800xt and also suitable hosing with hydrocool? -Thermaltake ram cooler with fan. -Thermaltake v2000 lan fire casing with 4 channel fan controller to all 4 fans. and temp reading as well. -Vantec fan controller to control additional side panel fan and thermaltake ram cooler. this 9800xt graphics card is really amazing! it is a lot more faster than my other workstation, out perform my fire gl 128mb ram workstation graphics card. In relation to overclocking, my opinion is that: due to the heat problem i had to face before water cool the system, there is no way i can overclock, the system halt/freezed even just a little of changes. i dont even have the chance to think of it! now, i clocked the cpu speed at 3.63ghz, and the temp of course: idle: 15-20deg C running Archicad, 2d and 3d along side: 25-30 deg C high quality rendering on Art-lantis 4.56, Vidz, or max:30-32 deg C max. performance wise: faster than my mate's P4 3.4ghz system. another strong point is: silent machine. i dont sit beside a drag course anymore! well, i guess it's up to you. and i agreed it really shorten the rendering time by 30-35%. as long as you have a good working temperature for the pc, wont be a bad idea to overclock it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dleon Posted April 8, 2004 Share Posted April 8, 2004 I also have a dual XEON 2.8 OC'ed to a megar 3.06. With the case closed I have hit temps as high as 57. With the case open I stay around 50 during very long renders (6-8 hours). 50ish is very normal for P4 and XEON. It's within the spec. Low 50ies are not a problem. Don't pay any attention to the Athlon MP folks. Different chip. Different silicone. Different spec. Different requirements. If you ever get over 60, you have a problem. The CPU is unlikely to die immediately at these temperatures, but you are basically out of spec, so you can expect trouble. If you hit 70+... That would defintely be around the failure point. Personally, I a going to water cooling with the DangerDen Maze4 so I can overclock with impunity and enjoy the silence. Asus PC-DL is the king of XEON workstations. For $200 you can't beat it with an atomic bomb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andronikos Posted May 12, 2004 Author Share Posted May 12, 2004 I agree 100% !!! ...if the temps are low you CAN NOT damage your cpu... this is what other guys do not understand! cy guys and thanx for supporting! lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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