What CAD Technician actually do?

[Janzer v1.0]

Janzer v1.0, I think your post will be censored because of your language but I feel I have to comment on it anyway.

You have just done exactly what you are criticising Strat for! But you have done it in a much more venomous way than anything I've seen him post.

 

Your "tiny, close minded british brain" reference will probably be offensive to a lot of people here, myself included, so please mind your own decorum whilst you berate that of others.

 

IC this was not meant to offend anyone that is of british decent. I'm speaking of STRAT and no one but him. He was obviouisly uneducated in the role of a technologist. I was setting him straight not you or any other citizen of the United Kingdom. Us Canadians do have the queen on our money too. Does that not make us somewhat British, or at least a member of the commonwealth? But, this is not the forum for that discussion. Let me ask you this IC........was STRAT not being close minded when he made the assumption about CAD Technicians being nothing more than CAD Monkeys? YES. Is STRAT not British? YES.......As for the tiny brain......I'll let you decide.

[Tim Nelson]

People generally don't like being called monkeys.

 

How about "Jockeys"? http://cadjockey.com/main.html

 

This is my friend Tim's site who I used to work with a few years ago. He's since moved to Maine & started his own drafting service. He knows he is successful, & I really doubt he would mind being called a cad 'monkey' either.

[STRAT]

James Janzer - i know exactly what a cad technologist is. 50% of our staff are technologists. and without them most of our schemes would never be realised. i never mentioned a cad technologist being a cad monkey. i was talking about cad technicians aka cad operators. distinct difference.

 

the term technologist is relatively new in the UK. it's an extention to a technician. but the 2 both exist, doing different jobs.

 

a technologist will take design desicions and a large technical hand in the process. a technitian on the other hand is basically given what he's told to do - draw up drawings.

 

and if you read some other peep's replys here you'll see the term 'cad monkey' isn't made up by me.

i used that term very loosely and certainly didnt aim it at technologists. in some places it is a generally used term. i used it blindly. almost a figure of speach. definately not closed mindedly.

 

but is there any need to attack me personally? do you all have skills i couldnt possibly comprehend? all i am is a coffee maker with a tiny brain? thats not nice.

 

in the years this board has been alive your reply is the most personally aimed and immature by far. just no need of it. you can always email me if you have a personal gripe with me.

 

i certainly dont want to fall out with you about this i assure you. it's better to talk than to attack.

 

As i say, it's just a term, and i've worked years in both technologist and technician possitions myself. perhaps cad jockeys would be better

[IC]

Let me ask you this IC........was STRAT not being close minded when he made the assumption about CAD Technicians being nothing more than CAD Monkeys? YES. Is STRAT not British? YES.......As for the tiny brain......I'll let you decide.

 

I'm sure he has answered the first question himself. The second doesn't require an answer. The third, no.

Strat is a respected, helpful member of this board and he is also well known for an irreverent sense of humour. It would be quite a dull place without people like that.

 

Here's another question: Is it against the rules of this site to stage personal attacks? Yes.

Please word your posts more carefully so as not to offend.

[Jeff Mottle]

Been following this thread and although I too was once a Cad Tech before I moved into the visualization/management world, how about for the sake of avoiding flames, arguments and all other issues that the term "cad monkey" is no longer used on the forums.

 

 

I think the original question in this thread was

 

"I want know what are the responibilities? (in architectural) What qualifications do they required? I'm good at autoCAD 2002 and ADT2004 - I have degree in architecture BA (HONS). I appreciate for your time."

[STRAT]

no probs here guys. i will no longer use that term.

 

i appologise if i caused offence to anyone as i didn't intend it that way in the slightest. a big proportion of us started out like this, myself included as i said, and it certainly never offended me at the time.

 

it obviously evokes different feelings to different people.

[ihabkal]

I spent six years in college studying architecture, but the most i remember is long overnights drafting. with special pens that I forgot the name of made by staedler Germany. ink. I loved ink, inking. we stretched wet expensive special paper on huge boards to dry measuring 4ft square or more, we had overnights at home, overnights at the university, overnights in the bathroom. We rarely partied. no girls, no alcohols ever. We worked night and day for six years. We helped students who are older than us in graduation projects drafting and inking for them. some people were friendlier before the computer and cad. hands always dirty with ink and special erasors particles... it was our life. With a bachelor of architecture I draft everyday. Autocad is my daily breakfast, lunch and dinner. 3ds max is my snacks. my degree is just wall decoratin. Drafting is my hobby and daily work. Being an Architect comes second in putting food on my table and feeding my child. Drafting and drawing is what feeds me.

[afegadi]

im sorry but i dont agree

if you think that architects can is only drawing, you give the wrong perception to clients of yourself

 

you must design [or that is my perception of what it has been my architectural degree and profession] knowing sizes and prices of bricks to make a wall, to design alongside a meter, go back to the construction, feel the space, and start over again if necessary, talk to the constructor or workers, to redesign in situ, jump over ladders and open structure to correct your own mistakes made at 3:00 am in front of your computer with a coup of coffe

it is true that drawing is our key tool to feel space before there is any space at all, but it is also true, that you must sense it in the mean time of construction

 

in our office we work as a design lab with our boss [who is 20 years older and of course, more experience, but his drawing is not the best, and his skills with architecture neither better] and we disccus with materials up front the desk, sketches and scale models, but our visits to the site, feeds the design with better drawings of details and talks with the one who is in contact with the construction : the worker

[PJ]

oooop's

I think i'll need to change my user name after Jeff's said you can't use it.

I'm an architecturual technologist, work 4 days a week and know the bRegs inside out run jobs and get paid good... have been for 15years or so and always thought of it as a term of endearment ... what do i know?

 

Phil

[STRAT]

i agree. like calling an army guy a grunt. or calling an office worker a pen pusher. it's just a term. please guys dont look too deeply into it or think thats how i personally label 'caddies'. it's litterally a term. and well used in the UK, like it or not.

[ihabkal]

I want to work 4 days a week to so that i can go to the zoo and look at the fishies...

[IC]

I want to work 4 days a week to so that i can go to the zoo and look at the fishies...

 

hehe

I'm taking tomorrow off to do just that!

[Fran]

i agree. like calling an army guy a grunt. or calling an office worker a pen pusher. it's just a term. please guys dont look too deeply into it or think thats how i personally label 'caddies'. it's litterally a term. and well used in the UK, like it or not.

 

Yes. A derogatory term. Words you use without thinking often convey a lot about one's basic mindset. These terms mean "inferior" - but in a demeaning way.

 

The words are only symptoms of a deeper problem in the industry. Perhaps it's the female in me that thinks that people deserve respect both in word and deed.

[Sawyer]

Ok I feel I should stay out of this but...

 

I am not too bright.

 

I had never heard of the term CM till I think STRAT posted a dilbert that used the term about a year ago. Thought it was funny still do because I am (for 5 more days) a CM. Now let me clarify: If an equal calls me a CM I'd think its funny. If my boss says to me or he says it to someone else about me "Oh he's just a CM" I would be insulted. Now I think that in general the position of drafter is one that gets little respect. And that might be more of the issue. After all I am getting out.

[Buttman]

Wow. After 39 messages and yet....still no answer. I'm shocked as I never recieved that much reponse. Enough of bickerings kids. Tell me, give me what CAD Tech would do on a typical day? Also, I'm looking for a job around in London UK and I want to know what's the requirement for employers - send a only CV or with enclosed past best work? or bring your porfolio for interview? Give me typical requirement for a CAD tech job.

[IC]

Wow. After 39 messages and yet....still no answer.

Tell me, give me what CAD Tech would do on a typical day? Also, I'm looking for a job around in London UK and I want to know what's the requirement for employers - send a only CV or with enclosed past best work? or bring your porfolio for interview? Give me typical requirement for a CAD tech job.

 

Your question was answered within the first few of the 39 posts!

 

We draw plans, sections, elevations and details to back up a design.

 

Yes, send a CV only and take your best work along to the interview.

[Buttman]

'til I realised after I read all the messages. Sorry. Any tips on job interview for CAD job?

[IC]

It's very useful to be able to name architects and buildings you admire, especially if they are relevant to the firm who are interviewing you.

 

After that, you've got to just be yourself. Don't claim you're capable of something you're not.

 

 

btw I've just today been offered a Senior Technician/3d Visualiser job with a firm I really want to work for so I must know what I'm talking about.

[Buttman]

Anybody from the rest of the world? Any funny stories on your job interview?