ikinman Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 The simplest test is 'Are you a professional?' In other words, are you doing this for a living and do you take the profession seriously? If you get paid to doodle on cocktail napkins, then that works for me. But if you are just a hobbyist who is doing this for fun, then that doesn't work for me. It's not to degrade hobbyists, but these are professional organizations. And despite all that has happened in the past twenty years with our profession, there are still plenty of people out there who think that we just putz around with computers all day, so why should we be taken seriously. Granted, it's substantially less of a problem now, but it still exists. Measuring professionalism is not about testing for knowledge, but testing for attitude. You can see it in how people present themselves professionally. Is there a functioning website? Does the phone get answered professionally, either by a person or machine? Do the deal with clients well? And if they're starting out, do they want to learn about how to run a business, write contracts, market themselves, and otherwise function in a professional way? The barriers aren't high, and just about all of us would meet them. But it's important that the barriers be there. -Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blowback Posted May 6, 2008 Share Posted May 6, 2008 this is a very interesting. I love the idea of some type of entrance exam or test. If there is no stardardization....it seems the association has less clout. Sure off the top of my head, this seems to be a logistical nightmare. But I think this is very important in establishing creditability. just my 2... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted May 6, 2008 Author Share Posted May 6, 2008 It's too bad that there isn't an official member of the ASAI in this thread who could speak to this issue. I'd like to know what the other members of the ASAI think about some kind of benchmark to establish membership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian Bold Posted May 7, 2008 Share Posted May 7, 2008 (edited) I'd love to be involved in helping the industry outside Aus too, - but I'd prefer to sign up to ASAI when it's renamed GSAI, G for Global. As for the entrance issue and professionalism - the existing cost entry is a starting point for weeding out a good majority of the tire kickers. Further qualification or benchmarks would add more value yes, to a point where you could put a few extra little letters after your name on your business card. Edited May 7, 2008 by Adrian Bold more info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkletzien Posted May 9, 2008 Share Posted May 9, 2008 (edited) you could join the AAAI Australian Association of Architectural Illustrators http://www.aaai.ws good people there! Tasmania counts as part of Australia, no? It might add more value, however it might also become the refuge of scoundrels as most great artists take pleasure in NOT towing the line, and joining an official society - and this would only embolden them further. If the practice is unregulated by government, than having a barrier to official entry may encourage the people doing great, but unconventional work to thumb their noses at it. Which is not what you want in a society dedicated to dialogue about the art. As far as not letting people in because they aren't professional enough...Ian I'm gonna part ways with you, despite my faith and appreciation of your leadership of NYSR. It just seems to me if they have an interest and want to support the organization than they should be let in, in the end it almost makes you (A+I) look better that these are your competitors. But hey, your call, you're the one busting your hump doing the volunteer work. Edited May 9, 2008 by jkletzien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdravko Barisic Posted May 11, 2008 Share Posted May 11, 2008 Hi, I'm new to this topic, co can anyone please answer to this questions? 1. ...We are challenging members of our community to join the ASAI and volunteer 40 hours of your time over the course of a year to help grow the ASAI and expand its offering to meet the demands and expectations of its members and the industry... ^ How does it look like in real life, for Europians? In which way you can donate your 40h per year? 2. SIMPLY POST YOUR NAME TO REGISTER YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE LINK PROVIDED ABOVE ^ Where to post name? This thread is marked as closed 3. Is the participation still opened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Erstad Posted May 12, 2008 Share Posted May 12, 2008 Hi, I'm new to this topic, co can anyone please answer to this questions? 1. ...We are challenging members of our community to join the ASAI and volunteer 40 hours of your time over the course of a year to help grow the ASAI and expand its offering to meet the demands and expectations of its members and the industry... ^ How does it look like in real life, for Europians? In which way you can donate your 40h per year? 2. SIMPLY POST YOUR NAME TO REGISTER YOUR PARTICIPATION IN THE LINK PROVIDED ABOVE ^ Where to post name? This thread is marked as closed 3. Is the participation still opened? Hi there. Jeff Mottle is managing the list. You would simply have to agree to participate by starting a new post to that effect right here. Many who have volunteered to offer personal voluteer time have chosen to join ranks with the ASAI at http://www.asai.org Voluntary tasks have not yet been identified, but it might be helpful if Jeff were to get a status update and post to this thread for all to see. Hope this helps. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted May 15, 2008 Author Share Posted May 15, 2008 Hi, I'm new to this topic, co can anyone please answer to this questions? 1. ...We are challenging members of our community to join the ASAI and volunteer 40 hours of your time over the course of a year to help grow the ASAI and expand its offering to meet the demands and expectations of its members and the industry... Yes How does it look like in real life, for Europians? In which way you can donate your 40h per year? I'm not sure being a member of an American organization would directly benefit you in Europe. It all depends on what direction the ASAI decides to go in, right now they are focused on copy right issues but I think this thread has indicated that people would like to see them tackle more practical matters like contract disputes and online forums. Some of those things would be a benefit to everyone regardless of where you live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted June 5, 2008 Author Share Posted June 5, 2008 Haven't seen a new post in almost a month, are there really only 28 people out of 2,921 active members who are willing to make things better for their entire profession? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 Well even 28 people is alot. Think what 28 can achieve if their efforts are guided.....hello? hello? Hellooooo? I was thinking about this thread yesterday. If I ran an entity that had very limited resources and 28 people offered to give their time to help me out, I would leap at the opportunity to harness that resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Warner Posted June 5, 2008 Share Posted June 5, 2008 I would assume that Jeff spoke with some of the ASAI people by now about our efforts....? I'm with Maxer on this one though, 28 out 2921 members? Come on people! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jeff Mottle Posted June 5, 2008 Administrators Share Posted June 5, 2008 There is a project that they sent me that is the first step. I'm just trying to get caught up from the backlog of emails I have not got to as a result of the from the AVC and 3Dawards. Stay tuned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Erstad Posted June 6, 2008 Share Posted June 6, 2008 Thanks a bunch Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperpanda Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 Kenneth Cheng Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bwana Kahawa Posted June 28, 2008 Share Posted June 28, 2008 28 does seem small, but I guess a lot of people might worry about volunteering without knowing exactly what they'll be asked to do! I'm considering adding my name to the list, but would rather wait to see a little how this pans out towards benefiting those outside the US before I commit... Others might feel the same, so it may be that numbers are added gradually rather than all at the beginning. I've relatively recently joined the UK equivalent (the SAI) and would rather commit any spare time towards helping them out at the moment. But I'm certainly keeping an interested eye on this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted June 29, 2008 Author Share Posted June 29, 2008 There is a project that they sent me that is the first step. I'm just trying to get caught up from the backlog of emails I have not got to as a result of the from the AVC and 3Dawards. Stay tuned. Jeff, you need an assistant or 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterkorian Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Please add me to the list. Just joined ASAI. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ky Lane Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 I joined the AAAi last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted July 15, 2008 Share Posted July 15, 2008 Anything happening with this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jeff Mottle Posted July 16, 2008 Administrators Share Posted July 16, 2008 Ok, so far I've only been given one item, but am going to following up again tonight to see if I can get some more items. Right now they are looking for some people to start a database of editor and contact e-mails and/or web addresses for magazines, newspapers and art and/or illustration websites who might be interested in posting news about ASAI and the Hugh Ferriss Memorial Prize and our AIP shows in particular. If you would like to volunteer for this, I'm going to take the first 2 people to volunteer and put you in touch with the proper people. If they need more I will post here again. Stay tuned for more tasks. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devin Johnston Posted July 16, 2008 Author Share Posted July 16, 2008 I'll be the first volunteer Jeff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tommy L Posted July 16, 2008 Share Posted July 16, 2008 I will volunteer also, but I warn you, my excel skills are less than admirable.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virtuality Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I think more than anything, organizations like the ASAI provide a level of credibility, networking abilities (would be nice to have some asai events in chicago!!!!) - and hopefully some advertising on the part of their members. As an architect and interior designer I had never even heard of the ASAI until it was mentioned to me by another member of the organization. It might be a good idea for them to invest in advertising in the magazenes that members of the aia and asid get as perks of their membership (architectural record, coastal living, southern accents) and another architect favorite - dwell... maybe work with the aia and asid to put out info at their events too... I would be interested in contributing my time, but need to know what i'd be doing This is a wonderful forum by the way - very happy to be part of your community! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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