plastic Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 1. the important parts of the site load very slow (link to the forum, etc.) maybe too many pics on the start page... 2. the link to the community/forum is hard to find. probably thats why the forum isn't very active. "CGarchitect.com Community" is a bit misleading too IMHO. i prefer "forum" i think there should be a better, more obvious site navigation system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jeff Mottle Posted August 1, 2002 Administrators Share Posted August 1, 2002 Thanks Marc, What type of intenet connection are you running and where are you located? Is it much slower than other site you go to? As you may have seen in my earlier post, site navigation is tops on my list. I agree that it is a bit confuing and needs some work. Thanks for your feedback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic Posted August 1, 2002 Author Share Posted August 1, 2002 the start page (http://www.cgarchitect.com) needs exactly 14 seconds to load with cache (and the navigation menu is one of the last things that pops up) without cache it takes 23 seconds. same behaviour with netscape and mozilla by the way... connection is cable, and very fast usually. i'm in EU. microsoft.com loads in 3 seconds. cnn.com 5 seconds. i have isdn at home, its even slower there... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jeff Mottle Posted August 1, 2002 Administrators Share Posted August 1, 2002 Ahh ok this explains things. The reason MS and CNN both load fast is becuase they have mirror sites all over the world. I only have one server located in Canada. If you go to your DOS prompt and type: tracert www.cgarchitect.com it will trace all of the routers that you have to go through to get to my site. Try it with CNN and MS you will undoutedly see less hops to the fial server. Also check the ms delays. If you see anything over 100ms let me know where it is happening. It may just be the route that you have to take from Europe is slow. Maybe one day when I get really big (and rich) I'll look at a mirror site in Europe or Asia. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic Posted August 1, 2002 Author Share Posted August 1, 2002 here is the trace: Routenverfolgung zu ns29.cgarchitect.com [207.176.130.146] über maximal 30 Absc hnitte: 1 2 ms 4 ms 1 ms center1-nordost-wien.chello.at [10.34.15.1] 2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 213.47.218.193 3 2 ms 1 ms 1 ms 213.47.218.93 4 17 ms 2 ms 1 ms at-vie-rd-04-ge-2-1.chellonetwork.com [213.46.17 3.25] 5 15 ms 15 ms 17 ms ffm-new-b2-pos2-3.telia.net [213.248.76.233] 6 42 ms 48 ms 40 ms hbg-bb1-pos3-0-0.telia.net [213.248.64.173] 7 46 ms 49 ms 46 ms kbn-bb1-pos2-0-0.telia.net [213.248.64.29] 8 128 ms 125 ms 127 ms nyk-bb1-pos0-2.telia.net [213.248.64.10] 9 144 ms 145 ms 145 ms chi-bb1-pos0-1-0.telia.net [213.248.80.6] 10 202 ms 190 ms 189 ms sca-bb1-pos0-1-0.telia.net [213.248.80.34] 11 191 ms 190 ms 190 ms paix.telia.net [213.248.86.70] 12 201 ms 200 ms 199 ms POS3-3.GW6.PAO1.ALTER.NET [157.130.195.241] 13 239 ms 241 ms 237 ms 530.ATM2-0.XR2.PAO1.ALTER.NET [152.63.55.14] 14 199 ms 199 ms 199 ms 0.so-0-0-0.XL2.PAO1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.77] 15 220 ms 222 ms 218 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL2.SCL2.ALTER.NET [152.63.1.45] 16 226 ms 226 ms 227 ms 0.so-7-0-0.TL2.CAL1.Alter.Net [152.63.0.34] 17 243 ms 238 ms 238 ms 196.at-1-0-0.XR2.CAL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.136.81] 18 263 ms 276 ms 262 ms 192.ATM9-0-0.GW1.EDM1.ALTER.NET [152.63.70.13] 19 253 ms 259 ms 262 ms alentus-gw.customer.alter.net [205.150.107.150] 20 273 ms 272 ms 273 ms fw0.zabco.net [216.95.232.2] 21 * 262 ms 258 ms 207.176.130.146 Ablaufverfolgung beendet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plastic Posted August 1, 2002 Author Share Posted August 1, 2002 thats the ping: Antwort von 207.176.130.146: Bytes=32 Zeit=253ms TTL=108 Antwort von 207.176.130.146: Bytes=32 Zeit=253ms TTL=108 Antwort von 207.176.130.146: Bytes=32 Zeit=253ms TTL=108 Antwort von 207.176.130.146: Bytes=32 Zeit=253ms TTL=108 Ping-Statistik für 207.176.130.146: Pakete: Gesendet = 4, Empfangen = 4, Verloren = 0 (0% Verlust), Ca. Zeitangaben in Millisek.: Minimum = 253ms, Maximum = 253ms, Mittelwert = 253ms i think the problem is more data transfer speed than response time... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jeff Mottle Posted August 1, 2002 Administrators Share Posted August 1, 2002 Ouch! Your route IS really bad. The ATER.NET routers are pretty busy from the looks of it. Not much I can do about that other than to set up a mirror site some day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DelfoZ Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 here my tracert, im in mexico. Cable slowly cable 1 7 ms 5 ms 6 ms 10.10.1.1 2 6 ms 7 ms 5 ms 200.36.112.254 3 18 ms 16 ms 15 ms 200.33.215.181 4 18 ms 16 ms 17 ms rr1.mtymnl.avan 5 29 ms 27 ms 29 ms POS2-0.IH1.HOU7 6 29 ms 28 ms 29 ms 0.so-0-2-0.XL1. 7 62 ms 29 ms 28 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL1. 8 89 ms 91 ms 88 ms 0.so-7-0-0.TL1. 9 88 ms 95 ms 90 ms 197.at-1-0-0.XR 10 114 ms 115 ms 119 ms 193.ATM8-0-0.GW 11 119 ms 119 ms 118 ms alentus-gw.cust 12 113 ms 114 ms 114 ms 216.95.232.2 13 114 ms 113 ms 114 ms 207.176.130.146 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nisus Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 Hi jeff, Here is a trace from Belgium, Europe: 1 15 ms 2 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms D5762401.kabel.telenet.be [213.118.36.1] 3 15 ms 4 16 ms 5 16 ms 15 ms 6 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms IBNOCM02-SRP5-0.telenet-ops.be [213.224.126.2] 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 31 ms 9 109 ms 110 ms 109 ms dcr1-loopback.Washington.cw.net [206.24.226.99] 10 110 ms 109 ms 109 ms agr3-so-0-0-0.Washington.cw.net [206.24.238.58] 11 109 ms 94 ms 94 ms acr2-loopback.Washington.cw.net [206.24.226.62] 12 157 ms 109 ms 125 ms 113.ATM4-0.BR2.DCA6.ALTER.NET [204.255.169.45] 13 109 ms 94 ms 109 ms 0.so-4-0-0.XL2.DCA6.ALTER.NET [152.63.38.138] 14 109 ms 109 ms 94 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL2.DCA6.ALTER.NET [152.63.38.73] 15 187 ms 172 ms 188 ms 0.so-4-0-0.TL2.CAL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.138.113] 16 219 ms 188 ms 187 ms 196.at-2-0-0.XR2.CAL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.136.85] 17 422 ms 312 ms 250 ms 192.ATM9-0-0.GW1.EDM1.ALTER.NET [152.63.70.13] 18 219 ms 203 ms 218 ms alentus-gw.customer.alter.net [205.150.107.150] 19 203 ms 203 ms 234 ms 216.95.232.2 20 219 ms 203 ms 218 ms 207.176.130.146 race complete. :\> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt_vinoir Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 Actually, for microsoft we have to got through typically 15 machines. More than a lot of places. Anything in asia is really slok though. The reason it gets slow for us in eu is the altlantic. You note that the ms count shoots up to 120 ish. Thats to push it over the pond to america. Bit of a bummer but hey. I agree with marc though. it is a bit slow!! What we need is a back entrance into cgarchitect forum , sorry, community! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angelo Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 I'm in Colorado (USA) and the site loads in a few seconds (3-4). So there must be a pretty good sized pipe from the US up to Canada... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jeff Mottle Posted August 1, 2002 Administrators Share Posted August 1, 2002 It probably helps that Alberta, where the server is located, has more internet connection per capita than anywhere in North America. Can't remember where I read that stat. The same goes for cell phones, I'm not sure why we are so into technology. Not that I'm complaining or anything. Now if they could just get that T1 or T3 right to my house... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rafaell_lopez Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 Good to here this, I won't make a trace, I have no DSL, no Cable Modem, and no DISH either, but I am happy with my modem, and CGarchitect.com load well here. Maybe is that big pipe we got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzagorski Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 Jeff, Here's a tracert from Honolulu, Hawaii. I also get your site quite slow here on our DSL line. It takes about 14 seconds for me to ger your page here and that's cached too! Advice - Put your top banner ad into the uppermost image. I dont really get anything out of viewing the CGA image... it just takes up space on my screen The interview section on the initial page.. Images are maybe not needed. Check illumenal.com and compare the amount of images on their page compared to CGA.. Maybe a simple listing of text link like they have on the top left of their page would be nice. C:\>tracert www.cgarchitect.com Tracing route to ns29.cgarchitect.com [207.176.130.146] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 1152 ms 1262 ms 1362 ms dslh096.HawaiiInformation.COM [12.7.51.97] 2 1372 ms 1462 ms 1452 ms diOh009.hawaiiinformation.com [12.24.48.9] 3 1522 ms 1552 ms 1593 ms 12.124.42.181 4 1432 ms 1493 ms 1472 ms gbr1-a80s17.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.13.102] 5 1512 ms 1622 ms 1422 ms tbr2-p012401.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.81] 6 1632 ms 1552 ms 1533 ms ggr1-p3100.sffca.ip.att.net [12.122.11.230] 7 1322 ms 1131 ms 1483 ms att-gw.sf.uu.net [192.205.32.126] 8 891 ms 160 ms 571 ms 0.so-2-1-0.XL1.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.52.226] 9 781 ms 851 ms 1002 ms 0.so-3-0-0.TL1.SAC1.ALTER.NET [152.63.53.250] 10 1042 ms 981 ms 1132 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL1.VAN1.ALTER.NET [152.63.138.93] 11 1241 ms 1272 ms 1392 ms 0.so-7-0-0.XL1.VAN1.ALTER.NET [152.63.138.73] 12 1352 ms 1442 ms 1482 ms POS5-0.XR1.VAN1.ALTER.NET [152.63.138.66] 13 1452 ms 1372 ms 171 ms 195.ATM9-0-0.GW1.EDM1.ALTER.NET [152.63.137.85] 14 831 ms 942 ms 911 ms alentus-gw.customer.alter.net [205.150.107.150] 15 1071 ms 1132 ms 1151 ms fw0.zabco.net [216.95.232.2] 16 1322 ms 1362 ms 1492 ms ns29.zabco.net [207.176.130.146] Trace complete. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wojciech Klepacki Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 If You need trace from Poland... C:\>tracert www.cgarchitect.com Trasa sledzenia do ns29.cgarchitect.com [207.176.130.146] przewyzsza maksymalną liczbe przeskokow 30 1 31 ms 15 ms 16 ms 217.98.123.58 2 15 ms 31 ms 32 ms 217.98.123.57 3 16 ms 31 ms 31 ms z.ols-ar1.do.ols-r1.tpnet.pl [195.205.0.233] 4 31 ms 31 ms 32 ms z.war-r2.do.ols-r1.tpnet.pl [194.204.175.147] 5 31 ms 32 ms 31 ms war-b1-pos5-1.telia.net [213.248.79.181] 6 46 ms 47 ms 47 ms hbg-bb1-pos1-2-0.telia.net [213.248.64.201] 7 47 ms 47 ms 62 ms kbn-bb1-pos2-0-0.telia.net [213.248.64.29] 8 140 ms 125 ms 125 ms nyk-bb1-pos2-0-0.telia.net [213.248.64.110] 9 157 ms 140 ms 156 ms chi-bb1-pos0-1-0.telia.net [213.248.80.6] 10 203 ms 188 ms 203 ms sca-bb1-pos0-1-0.telia.net [213.248.80.34] 11 187 ms 219 ms 187 ms sca-paix-i2-pos6-0.telia.net [213.248.86.2] 12 203 ms 219 ms 219 ms POS3-3.GW6.PAO1.ALTER.NET [157.130.195.241] 13 219 ms 219 ms 218 ms 530.ATM3-0.XR2.PAO1.ALTER.NET [152.63.55.22] 14 * 219 ms 203 ms 0.so-0-0-0.XL2.PAO1.ALTER.NET [152.63.54.77] 15 391 ms 453 ms 500 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL2.SCL2.ALTER.NET [152.63.1.45] 16 250 ms 250 ms 250 ms 0.so-7-0-0.TL2.CAL1.Alter.Net [152.63.0.34] 17 641 ms 625 ms 546 ms 196.at-1-0-0.XR2.CAL1.ALTER.NET [152.63.136.81] 18 672 ms 406 ms 500 ms 192.ATM9-0-0.GW1.EDM1.ALTER.NET [152.63.70.13] 19 281 ms 344 ms 406 ms alentus-gw.customer.alter.net [205.150.107.150] 20 375 ms 312 ms 266 ms fw0.zabco.net [216.95.232.2] 21 453 ms 375 ms * 207.176.130.146 22 468 ms * 422 ms 207.176.130.146 Sledzenie zakonczone. C:\>ping www.cgarchitect.com Badanie ns29.cgarchitect.com [207.176.130.146] z uzyciem 32 bajtow danych: Odpowiedz z 207.176.130.146: bajtow=32 czas=390ms TTL=107 Odpowiedz z 207.176.130.146: bajtow=32 czas=328ms TTL=107 Odpowiedz z 207.176.130.146: bajtow=32 czas=531ms TTL=107 Odpowiedz z 207.176.130.146: bajtow=32 czas=531ms TTL=107 Statystyka badania dla 207.176.130.146: Pakiety: Wysłane = 4, Odebrane = 4, Utracone = 0 (0% utraconych), Szacunkowy czas bladzenia pakietow w millisekundach: Minimum = 328ms, Maksimum = 531ms, Srednia = 445ms P.S. Actually I can sacrifice some extra time to load the site.I find CGarvhitect very helpful and I do not care if it loads in 5 or 15 sec. The most important (in my opinion) is to load it at all. So, keep it going! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Jeff Mottle Posted August 1, 2002 Administrators Share Posted August 1, 2002 WOW! Based upon your delays in Hawaii I wonder if they are using paddle boats to convoy the data back to the mainland. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STRAT Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 lol. if i was in hawaii i wouldn't care, i'd be on the beach all day, not stuck infront of a pc monitor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mzagorski Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 Im currently waiting for Qwest to put in my T3 line to my palm tree on the beach! I just sit here computing and rehydrating with the use of drinking recepticle model "Coconut 1.02" Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superdave Posted August 6, 2002 Share Posted August 6, 2002 Hey Jeff, I've noticed alot of requests for tutorials on the site, and yes I know that you have some here. (4 to be percise) They are good tuts but not very user friendly, somewhat boring to. Not to sound negative just tring to be honest. I think it would be nice if we could post constructive tuts here for everyone to use. Heres a link for example of what I'm thinking. web page Also I agree with some of the other people about a work page. It might be cool to be able to look for and post work when it comes up. Freelance and full time work could be found there. I mean now we can work on project from across the country and never see the client with the internet now. Oh and just for fun how about a fan art page so we can post some funny, cool images in honor of cgarchitect.com With these ideas i'll finish with saying that cgarchitect is a very good site now. I think that it could be twicked a bit though. Keep up the good work Jeff we all appreciate the great work you do. This is the best architectual site on the web. Later, Superd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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