Hazdaz Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Any idea why this is one of the slowest sites I visit? Even when I am at work - where we have DSL - this site seems to load quite slow, and strangly enough seems to need to reload every graphic image EVERY time I visit here. Why don't the images get stored in my cache (on my harddrive)? Anywyas, just had to ask, cuz at work with DSL its an annoyance. But when I am at home (dial-up) its painfully slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 It must be where you are located and the lines that you have to use to get to the site. Do me a favor and from both home and work do a Trace Route to the site when you think it's slow. You can do this by typing "tracert www.cgarchitect.com" from the command line. Copy and paste what you get and I can see if it's the internet between me and you or our server. I am very doubtful that it is the latter as I've surfed the site from all over the US and even in the UK and it seems just as fast as any other site and as fast as it is for me here in my office which is only 3 hours from the server. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ernest Burden III Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 Do me a favor and...do a Trace Route to the siteI couldn't resist... I also couldn't figure how to copy the text off the commandprompt, so I screen captured it. Not a bad route, to CGA. I did the route to my own site, which should be in the Atlanta area, (Earthlink) and it bounced across the top of the US, down to Pasedina CA and then back to Earthlink, 19 hops total. Although that first one is the Linksys router. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 That's pretty respectable! Damn fast in fact. Here is what I get. Like I said I am 3 hours from the server: Tracing route to ds018.cgarchitect.com [207.176.130.67] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 17 ms 38 ms 19 ms xxxxxxxxxxxx 2 59 ms 12 ms 12 ms rd1so-ge1-0-2.cg.shawcable.net [64.59.130.66] 3 19 ms 8 ms 7 ms rc1so-pos14-0.cg.shawcable.net [66.163.71.129] 4 29 ms 13 ms 12 ms FE4-0-0.PEERA-CALGAB.IP.GROUPTELECOM.NET [216.18 .32.74] 5 25 ms 11 ms 8 ms GE3-0.WANA-CALGAB.IP.GROUPTELECOM.NET [66.59.190 .133] 6 23 ms 16 ms 13 ms 216.18.32.82 7 25 ms 23 ms 18 ms h216-18-89.gtconnect.net [216.18.89.134] 8 42 ms 28 ms 31 ms h64-42-243-185.gtcust.grouptelecom.net [64.42.24 3.185] 9 37 ms 28 ms 32 ms fw0.zabco.net [216.95.232.2] 10 30 ms 36 ms 28 ms 207.176.130.67 Trace complete. Ernest: To copy and past right lick on the window click select all then copy. I know it's not very intuitive and I swore that you used to be able to drag and press ctrl-c Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xgarcia Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 I'm in Gainesville, FL using COX Express Cable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ace_Face Posted August 27, 2003 Share Posted August 27, 2003 This is from my Cable connection at home in Phoenix, Arizona. traceroute to cgarchitect.com (207.176.130.67), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets 1 10.113.192.1 (10.113.192.1) 26.566 ms 10.358 ms 13.543 ms 2 ip68-2-6-157 (68.2.6.157) 15.172 ms 7.916 ms 26.112 ms 3 ip68-2-0-25 (68.2.0.25) 19.77 ms 18.192 ms 7.796 ms 4 ip68-2-0-17 (68.2.0.17) 10.911 ms 9.289 ms 16.125 ms 5 ip68-2-0-9 (68.2.0.9) 9.397 ms 10.837 ms 12.063 ms 6 chnddsrc01-gew0303.rd.ph.cox.net (68.2.14.5) 10.896 ms 14.348 ms 13.11 ms 7 chndbbrc01-pos0101.rd.ph.cox.net (68.1.0.164) 17.64 ms 12.009 ms 11.793 ms 8 fed1bbrc02-pos0102.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.167) 32.383 ms 18.892 ms 22.315 ms 9 fed1bbrc01-pos0100.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.202) 34.555 ms 16.629 ms 18.952 ms 10 fed1bbrc01-pos0200.rd.sd.cox.net (68.1.0.193) 27.976 ms 27.252 ms 37.959 ms 11 plalca01gr00.bb.telus.com (154.11.3.117) 28.971 ms 28.986 ms 27.613 ms 12 sttlwa01gr02.bb.telus.com (154.11.10.1) 71.799 ms 50.341 ms 49.212 ms 13 nwmrbc01br01.bb.telus.com (209.53.75.177) 70.606 ms 69.192 ms 85.663 ms 14 edtnabkdbr01.bb.telus.com (154.11.10.18) 67.301 ms 70.291 ms 75.256 ms 15 edtnabxmbr01.bb.telus.com (154.11.10.161) 85.854 ms 82.457 ms 69.372 ms 16 edtnabxmgr01.bb.telus.com (154.11.10.141) 69.872 ms 80.304 ms 69.682 ms 17 peer.edtnabxmgr01.bb.telus.com (154.11.98.118) 83.076 ms 70.408 ms 70.428 ms 18 fw0.zabco.net (216.95.232.2) 68.571 ms 72.139 ms 69.135 ms 19 207.176.130.67 (207.176.130.67) 68.213 ms 68.991 ms 74.461 ms Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Homeless Guy Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 I agree with Hazdaz, this is one of the slower sites I frequent. I don't think pinging the route will reveal the problem. My browser can find the site fast enough, but the site takes awhile to load after it is located. I assumed some of these problems will be fixed when you launch the new site. The bb is particularly slow loading, but I also assumed this would be fixed when you unveiled the new and improved bb system. 1 40 ms 6 ms 52 ms colisa.karlsberger.com [10.200.200.16] 2 62 ms 83 ms 33 ms 228.ATM3-0.GW3.CLE1.ALTER.NET [157.130.169.49] 3 8 ms 57 ms 64 ms 109.at-6-2-0.CL1.CLE1.ALTER.NET [152.63.67.82] 4 85 ms 82 ms 62 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL1.CHI2.ALTER.NET [152.63.68.82] 5 161 ms 145 ms 161 ms 0.so-0-0-0.TL1.VAN1.ALTER.NET [152.63.138.93] 6 127 ms 110 ms 83 ms 0.so-7-0-0.XL1.VAN1.ALTER.NET [152.63.138.73] 7 133 ms 110 ms 119 ms POS5-0.XR1.VAN1.ALTER.NET [152.63.138.66] 8 81 ms 105 ms 102 ms 195.ATM9-0-0.GW1.EDM1.ALTER.NET [152.63.137.85] 9 118 ms 164 ms 128 ms alentus-gw.customer.alter.net [205.150.107.150] 10 134 ms 110 ms 125 ms fw0.zabco.net [216.95.232.2] 11 94 ms 136 ms 142 ms 207.176.130.67 Trace complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted August 28, 2003 Author Share Posted August 28, 2003 These are from the work computer (DSL), so they are fast (compared to when I get home), but still quite slower than just about every other site I visit. And CRAZY HOMELESS GUY is right in pointing out that its not so much as getting TO the site, its slow having everythign load up (espesially the forums)... its almost as if the computer hesitates for no good reason (it doesn't LOOK like images are loading, yet its not doing anything). BTW, another site that I have noticed is slow is 3DBuzz.com (which seems to suffer from the same hesitation that this site does). Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600] © Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp. C:\Documents and Settings\CT LAM Xi>tracert www.cgarchitect.com Tracing route to ds018.cgarchitect.com [207.176.130.67] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 2 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms 64.252.111.254 3 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms dist1-vlan50.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net [66.159.184.19 4] 4 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms bb1-g6-0.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net [66.159.184.115] 5 21 ms 19 ms 19 ms bb1-p9-0.nycmny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.241.69] 6 21 ms 18 ms 20 ms bb2-p14-0.nycmny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.243.206] 7 22 ms 19 ms 19 ms core2-p6-0.crnyny.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.94] 8 27 ms 26 ms 25 ms core2-p3-0.crhnva.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.198 ] 9 27 ms 26 ms 26 ms core1-p1-0.crhnva.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.17] 10 62 ms 62 ms 62 ms core1-p11-0.crcloh.sbcglobal.net [151.164.240.12 1] 11 64 ms 61 ms 63 ms core1-p3-0.crchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.181 ] 12 62 ms 63 ms 61 ms core1-p11-0.crkcmo.sbcglobal.net [151.164.240.11 7] 13 62 ms 62 ms 62 ms core1-p3-0.crdnco.sbcglobal.net [151.164.188.33] 14 70 ms 73 ms 72 ms core1-p11-0.crskut.sbcglobal.net [151.164.243.24 5] 15 89 ms 88 ms 89 ms bb1-p13-0.sttlwa.sbcglobal.net [151.164.241.130] 16 91 ms 89 ms 88 ms bb1-p14-0.pxsewa.sbcglobal.net [151.164.241.18] 17 90 ms 89 ms 89 ms 151.164.89.166 18 110 ms 109 ms 108 ms 154.11.10.101 19 111 ms 110 ms 110 ms edtnabkdbr01.bb.telus.com [154.11.10.18] 20 107 ms 110 ms 108 ms edtnabxmbr01.bb.telus.com [154.11.10.161] 21 109 ms 109 ms 109 ms edtnabxmgr01.bb.telus.com [154.11.10.141] 22 117 ms 119 ms 118 ms peer.edtnabxmgr01.bb.telus.com [154.11.98.118] 23 117 ms 117 ms 115 ms fw0.zabco.net [216.95.232.2] 24 118 ms 127 ms 119 ms ds018.zabco.net [207.176.130.67] Trace complete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Wow 24 hops no wonder it's taking so long. And a tracert will show whether a site is slow. Just becuase it finds the site fast does not mean that the data does not needs to keep passing via all of the hops along the way. If there are many hops or delays in beween then the data will take longer to get to your browser. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted August 28, 2003 Author Share Posted August 28, 2003 So is there anything I can do to change that? I assume its all on my ISP's end, right? This is the first time I have ever heard of that tracert command... but now I am afraid of how many hops its gonna take when I get home to my dial-up connection and try it out there. I also tried a few other sites just for kicks, and most of them range between 11-16 hops - including that other site I mentioned that I said was fairly slow (that one was only 13, and much lower times). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Hazdaz, Well what you just told me seems to point to the fact that it's the #of hops and speed (or lack therof) it takes to get to my server. And yes it's all up to the root servers on the internet to decide which route is fastest, although sometimes I wonder. Delay times at each hop are determined by the ammount of traffic that is passing through each router. In theory when a router is overloaded it's supposed to pass it off to another router, but when the problem is within the same organization, (ALTER.NET) for example, there are only so many routers to pass off to. So bascially you are at the mercy of the net and the traffic that day. Large organizations get around this by having live mirrors located at various locations around the world....however we are not yet a big organization that can afford that . Many people can have diffrent times from the same city becuase it all depends who your ISP is and what route they us to connect to the web. If the route your dial up uses is the same or similar, you will have three strieks against you. Connection speed, router delay and hops. BTW I've surfed by dial up to my site from the other side of Canada (about 8 hours flying) and it was reasonably fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted August 28, 2003 Author Share Posted August 28, 2003 Maybe its just those darn Canadian serves... I'll just blame them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Originally posted by Hazdaz: Maybe its just those darn Canadian serves... I'll just blame them. Or the American Internet lines. LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainoa Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 I'm all the way in Hawaii and I've never had a speed issue with the CGA site or the BB. I cant do a tracert at work (firewall) but I'll try one at home. Im using cable. Steve: Perhaps it's time to look into a cable ISP. I personally dont like DSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted August 28, 2003 Author Share Posted August 28, 2003 KAINOA - Well we JUST got DSL here at work and even if its a little slow with this site, its still a zillion times better than the dial-up we had before that ... oh how fun, having to email 5 MB drawings over a 56K connection... fun fun JEFF - Naa, the American Internet lines are probably up-to-date... unlike the American POWER lines that caused that massive black-out the week before. Also having been up to Calgary and partied with you crazy Canadians (we actually used to work for the same company), I'd put all the blame on some drunk Canuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Also having been up to Calgary and partied with you crazy Canadians (we actually used to work for the same company), I'd put all the blame on some drunk Canuck.I KNEW that name was familiar. Now it all makes sense. Small world. Just this morning I found out that a large Pocket PC site I visit is run by a guy a few blocks from me. Go figure. Yeah Canadians are crazy partiers, but SMEDheads are even more so. Well in the good old days anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazdaz Posted August 28, 2003 Author Share Posted August 28, 2003 Yea, there is no longer a SMED... just an empty core of a division, of a much larger corporation left now. orangeno Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kid Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 OK, that tracert thing told me a lot orangeno Tracing route to ds018.cgarchitect.com [207.176.130.67] over a maximum of 30 hops: 1 * * * Request timed out. 2 * * * Request timed out. 3 * * * Request timed out. 4 * * * Request timed out. 5 * * * Request timed out. 6 * * * Request timed out. 7 * * * Request timed out. 8 * * * Request timed out. 9 * * * Request timed out. 10 * * * Request timed out. 11 * * * Request timed out. 12 * * * Request timed out. 13 * * * Request timed out. 14 * * * Request timed out. 15 * * * Request timed out. 16 * * * Request timed out. 17 * * * Request timed out. 18 * * * Request timed out. 19 * * * Request timed out. 20 * * * Request timed out. 21 * * * Request timed out. 22 * * * Request timed out. 23 * * * Request timed out. 24 * * * Request timed out. 25 * * * Request timed out. 26 * * * Request timed out. 27 * * * Request timed out. 28 * * * Request timed out. 29 * * * Request timed out. 30 * * * Request timed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Mottle Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Hey Kid, That will happen if you are behind a corporate firewall or have an ISP that blocks that command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garethace Posted August 30, 2003 Share Posted August 30, 2003 Ever chat to Brian Neal over at aces? He runs the web site aceshardware.com from a very modest little sun box, using all kinds of clever tricks to compress the web site content to make it travel faster. He is always welcome to chip in with a few pointers anyhow. Some good articles at ace on how they did the web site. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kainoa Posted September 3, 2003 Share Posted September 3, 2003 Im in Hawaii using roadrunner cable. Not too shabby considering im alot further away than some of you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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