iamnoel Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 was wondering is this renderer any good ? i am looking for a renderer that supports IES lights, Hoping to get the quality of lightscape in my 3dsviz enviroment. thanx for any feedback. iamnoel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 hi, From what I remember (as I was doing the same search a few years back) its a nice renderer. You can get nice external images with it, but cant beat LS for interiors, which is the reason I stayed with LS... Did you try their (Integra) forum? Wait till Seismograph (Christian) will reply to this thread (if he'll see it...), he knows more about Insight, or check his website and contact him from there. Let us know what you found out. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Miranda Posted April 20, 2003 Share Posted April 20, 2003 I used to think the same thing about Insight and interiors. But after I found out the work of http://www.rmdesignstudio.com on the web and discovered that they produce their interiors with the software from Integra... I changed my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamnoel Posted April 21, 2003 Author Share Posted April 21, 2003 thanx guys i will check out their site . I am hesistant to use a dying software but if none can match the quality then again why not. cheers iamnoel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seismograph Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 hi all, Insight is the perfect solution if you have a room with say 100 ies-lights...it even doesn't need a recalculation of the radiosity when changing the ies file! Calculation itself is much faster than lightscape and results in a very smooth radiosity which isn't oversaturated and have smooth shadows from the lights. ..to be honest, i don't use insight right now , but when i tried it the last time it outperformed lightscape and even vray on a medium sized interior scenes. There is something i don't like on insight: the bad AA and that it's very difficult to find the right setup for exterior images. There is also a nasty bug with the viz4 daylight, because you can't use it with insight, so you have to import an old viz3 scene with the sunlight to use the insight skysystem... anyway... dL the demo and have a look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Morev Posted April 21, 2003 Share Posted April 21, 2003 hmm... this topic is just asking for my presence hi guys! nice to see the old bunch together again what's with the cool nickname Chris? alright here's my 2cents for what it's worth ... first of all, as i always say (too bad nobody cares to listen ) doing exteriors with Insight is a total pain in the back and it's plain not worth the effort unless you want to hurt yourself but all the sudden ran out of any other gadgets to do so interiors on the other hand is an area where it totally rocks it's a great production tool cheap and efficient it might not have all the bells and whistles of some fancy renderers (don't forget to check the price tag again), but it's fast, reliable and predictable! what could be better for a tight dead-line and a peaky client behind your back if you are thinking of doing a piece of art with it, you might get disappointed (although i've seen some of those around) but if you need a tool to create a view-independent lighting simulation in a fraction of time it would take LS to do the same thing, and be able to run off multiple views or walkthrough animations, you should at least give it a try by the way none of the interiors on our web page are a show-off it's all real thing every-day production renderings and it's the quality we deliver on a regular basis thanks to Insight have fun! and cu around PS: LS experience might be very helpful in getting a hang of Insight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcahunak Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 Originally posted by Tony Morev: hi guys! nice to see the old bunch together again I was wondering what would it take to bring you in here... better later than never anyway, and make sure you stick around. --------------------------- Originally posted by Tony Morev: doing exteriors with Insight is a total pain in the back... interiors on the other hand is an area where it totally rocks I remember seeing some great exterior images, but I'll take your word for it. good to know. --------------------------- Originally posted by Tony Morev: but if you need a tool to create a view-independent lighting simulation in a fraction of time it would take LS to do the same thing What about quality, though? I remember you and Christian, or someone else, rendering the Insight tutorial scene in Insight and LS. Which one was better? - quality wise. Also, can you address the AA issue that Christian mentioned? Is it true only for exteriors? Regards. [ April 22, 2003, 02:27 AM: Message edited by: bigcahunak ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamnoel Posted April 22, 2003 Author Share Posted April 22, 2003 I can see that interior rendering really does rock with insight renderer. I will give it my time to learn .thanx guys iamnoelr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Morev Posted April 22, 2003 Share Posted April 22, 2003 I remember seeing some great exterior images, but I'll take your word for it. good to know.well, it was Guillermo's hard work God knows what price he paid for it but modeling is a issue no matter what and IMHO it wouldn't pay off to do it right on an exterior What about quality, though? I remember you and Christian, or someone else, rendering the Insight tutorial scene in Insight and LS. Which one was better? - quality wise it was Asim (aka Buca) and not only he mastered the creation of great quality images with LS he also does it lightning fast! the problem is that LS is a lot more peaky about modeling than Insight is and in it's best combination max-plugin-LS it adds a lot of going from max and back if you need to correct something that's as far production side of it as far as the quality goes i think that if you put both programs in the right hands you will get something very close with the exception of Insight probably giving a little softer and more artistic result now some words about the speed of both ... since the way both programs store the lighting information is very close the way it's being calculated is probably what makes the biggest difference and MC raytracing is a lot faster than deterministic radiosity by definition Also, can you address the AA issue that Christian mentioned? Is it true only for exteriors? it used to be a huge problem partially because of some old bugs in the code which are fixed now it definitely still has some space for improvement but i don't think it's that big of a problem anymore [ April 22, 2003, 09:30 AM: Message edited by: Tony Morev ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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