marius e Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 (edited) I come across this frequently.....autocad users who cannot draw properly. How on earth do you keep your job if you draw like this?? Then I have to spend my time fixing this crap, it’s amazing......... And it’s not like they don’t have years’ experience.. It amazes me that they can work like that. From one user to the other, what goes through their minds while they are drawing...."I wonder why my lines wont snap correctly" but they still keep drawing, they cant snap etc cause lines are all over z values etc....so they just draw without being able to snap...... Edited February 25, 2014 by marius e Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnold Sher Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 ...lol...this happens so often that we've stopped caring.. Funny thing is that is not even based on geographical location. We often work with architects from all over the world such as Australia, UK, middle east and it is much of a muchness. Their plans do not match to the elevations, they do not believe in layers and they do not know how to detail. I guess it is one of the things we had to learn to accept. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marius e Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 I just cant imagine how they deal with it in the office, cause clearly they also do not understand how to fix it. They must be scratching their heads wondering why elevations etc dont match....so they all just keep at it, from one user to the next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I've seen similar in the past, kinda not gotta worry about it, so long as it doesn't take too much time! I think there's a simple command in AutoCAD to flatten all the points. Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marius e Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 know how to fix it, flatten not the answer as it puts everything on the same layer and one colour......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neil poppleton Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 a useful script our there flattens everything to zero but maintains level structure. its rare you get a good set of cad drawings, guess we have learned just to accept it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marius e Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 I have to fix a drawing before working of it.......just bugs me to much.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 know how to fix it, flatten not the answer as it puts everything on the same layer and one colour......... Sorry perhaps you mis-understood, by flatten I mean move all the points to be at 0 on the z-axis. Have a google for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notamondayfan Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I have to fix a drawing before working of it.......just bugs me to much.... A decorator has to mask areas, move furniture, and cover the floors with sheets before he can paint, this is our equivalent. If the CAD is so bad, make sure you are charging to clean it up. Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marius e Posted January 30, 2014 Author Share Posted January 30, 2014 Yes, thats what I do.....but what an irritation, a curse...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M V Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Working as a 3D artist and architect I can tell you exactly how this happens. An architect gets a site plan from civil where the data is in 3D (usually just the topo lines), then they draft on top it, snapping to points in Z that they do not realize have Z values. Some of the older 'dinosaurs' in the firms don't even know what the heck Z is. I see it all the time and I wonder how the can even work like this because if you ran distance command to check the length of one of those lines, it would be 50X the real length. I guess this is how stuff like this gets built... http://thechive.com/2013/10/17/construction-isnt-for-everybody-48-photos/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Schroeder Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Does it look good printed in plan view? Yes? That's all the architect cares about. Then we get the files and go bald by the time we hit 30. My personal favorite is when they can't crop properly so when you go to explode the blocks of say a multi-family layout you get 1000 copies of the same thing over and over again, or when the block is exploded the whole floor plan pops back on but in a different spot so you have to try to figure out what was the original plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Penaloza Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I come across this frequently.....autocad users who cannot draw properly. How on earth do you keep your job if you draw like this?? Then I have to spend my time fixing this crap, it’s amazing......... And it’s not like they don’t have years’ experience.. It amazes me that they can work like that. From one user to the other, what goes through their minds while they are drawing...."I wonder why my lines wont snap correctly" but they still keep drawing, they cant snap etc cause lines are all over z values etc....so they just draw without being able to snap...... and what it is more scary that these are the same people who are modeling on REVIT now!!!! and they say "This project should be cheaper because I am sending you the model ready from REVIT, just apply materials and render".... yeah right!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.C Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I was a drafter before getting into viz. It was and is actually harder for me to draw erroneously. I've seen lots of files with bogus Z lines but the worse has been an architect who draws his own stuff and his solution to the elevation/floorplan not matching problem is overriding the text on the dimensions to make them match sometimes things were off by a whole meter and the meter was not exact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasonstewart Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 I was a drafter before getting into viz. It was and is actually harder for me to draw erroneously. I've seen lots of files with bogus Z lines but the worse has been an architect who draws his own stuff and his solution to the elevation/floorplan not matching problem is overriding the text on the dimensions to make them match sometimes things were off by a whole meter and the meter was not exact. This bugs the hell out of me. We have another designer in our office who does stuff like this, if I have to work on stuff he drafted then I spend 1/2 the time fixing stuff before I can even start to do what I was supposed to be doing. The worst one was a couple months ago, I had to do a rendering of a new house. His plan had the building 35' from the front property line according to the dimension but when I went to overlay the Landscape plan over it the whole site was shifted almost 10'...Of course I had already laid in my driveway and everything when I figured out that he overrode the dimension and it was some crazy uneven fraction like 25' 4 122/164" or something crazy. I try to help him when I can but he has way more experience than I do so I always feel bad about telling him he is doing everything wrong. Usually I just try to clean it up without him realizing it haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blank... Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 know how to fix it, flatten not the answer as it puts everything on the same layer and one colour......... No it doesn't, look here: http://docs.autodesk.com/ACD/2014/ENU/index.html?url=files/GUID-84039380-7A83-4969-9465-73C6C8784C1E.htm,topicNumber=d30e727145 This An architect gets a site plan from civil where the data is in 3D and this, is 100% correct. Does it look good printed in plan view? Yes? That's all the architect cares about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salvador Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Guess it all depends on how we were taught. I for one, am a precision freak. I can't stand 4.99997m when it's supposed to be plain 5.0m. The funny thing is that the guy who got me started in AutoCAD (looooooong ago) was anything but neat and precise when it came to drafting / detailing (although a super duper architect). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Francisco Penaloza Posted January 30, 2014 Share Posted January 30, 2014 Hey Marius and your clients really let you charge extra for fix their CAD drawings?? if so that's awesome. Or you are hiding that extra time/cost on something like "prep drawings" and charge a flat fee always? Every time I tell an Architect that the drawings are not right they look at me like "Who the hell are you" I let them know for sure, some of them see the errors but as mentioned before they said for what they need that's OK. Even with REVIT model with giants gaps between windows and wall, after printing nobody see that, over all dimensions will be ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotristan3d Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I have to fix a drawing before working of it.......just bugs me to much.... you should factor this inconvenience into your quote next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marius e Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hey Marius and your clients really let you charge extra for fix their CAD drawings?? if so that's awesome. Or you are hiding that extra time/cost on something like "prep drawings" and charge a flat fee always? Every time I tell an Architect that the drawings are not right they look at me like "Who the hell are you" I let them know for sure, some of them see the errors but as mentioned before they said for what they need that's OK. Even with REVIT model with giants gaps between windows and wall, after printing nobody see that, over all dimensions will be ok. No you misunderstood, I do not charge for that. I have in the past tried that but not worth it as they do not think or want to hear that their drawings are bad. If the drawing seems 'correct' on their side then what is the problem.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic H Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 iv not seen a 2D autocad drawing since 1866 tbh..... its not worth doing jobs where you have to model from cad i reckon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marius e Posted February 1, 2014 Author Share Posted February 1, 2014 iv not seen a 2D autocad drawing since 1866 tbh..... its not worth doing jobs where you have to model from cad i reckon you mean you only get revit models etc to work off? these drawings are for casinos.....would it be possible to draw that tipe of detail with revit? moulding details etc etc..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasthomas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 This also counts for Sketchup drawings made by architects by the way. :-) Using groups and layers properly doesn't seem to be something they are able to do. Also, they seem to never have heard anything about components. I often wonder if it would be faster to make the whole drawing by scratch again or to fix their version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlotristan3d Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Guys, Please remember it's not the architect's job to make your work easier. If it's too much of a hindrance, let them know that it will cost them more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonasthomas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Yes, of course I know, but I guess we are more wondering about the "Why?" It's not forbidden, is it? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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