krimson2580 Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 great, I'll change the psu to 750w platinum on both ws and renderslave and throw in another fan. Maybe one of these standard intel cpu-coolers will do for the 2 xeons? Intel S2011 XEON CPU COOLER: STS200C or Intel S2011 XEON CPU WATER COOLER: BXTS13X Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted July 5, 2014 Author Share Posted July 5, 2014 thanks numerobis, i'll check the low profiled ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) btw. here is a PSU calculator... http://www.enermax.outervision.com/PSUEngine And one more thing. A GTX650 is really not needed for the node. I use Radeon HD5450's (passive) in my nodes. ~23€, ~6.5W idle. If you want to go with nvidia maybe a GT 610, not sure about the idle wattage. Edited July 5, 2014 by numerobis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderSK Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 (edited) And one more thing. A GTX650 is really not needed for the node. I use Radeon HD5450's (passive) in my nodes. ~23€ I do too :- D I have 6450, cost about 40 euros. It works completely fine even when I tested it as workstation. Maybe one of these standard intel cpu-coolers will do for the 2 xeons? Intel S2011 XEON CPU COOLER: STS200C or Intel S2011 XEON CPU WATER COOLER: BXTS13X I don't really know how silent these fans are. The second is water cooler so you would have to position additional 2 case fans on top to cool the radiators on CPU, and this is rather unnecessary for the clocks of 2680v2. Just get Noctua NH-U14S, Noctua states that even small U12S (to avoid first PCI slot obstructed, not a problem for you though, but for those with 4 GPUs) is enough to cool 2687v2, and those are high-clocked beasts. I have U14 as you can see in picture, and it's silent ( I think I even used the low-voltage cable). Edited July 5, 2014 by RyderSK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 I do too :- D I have 6450, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 3, 2014 Author Share Posted October 3, 2014 Hello again, So i've waited for the i7-5960x and the xeon v3's to come out. I'm at the point of placing my order at my hardwarestore. The following configuration i have finally in mind: WORKSTATION: CPU: I7-5960x (8 cores overclocked to 4,3 ghz) MOBO: Asus X99-E WS RAM: Crucial DDR4 32 GB 2400mhz - ballistix sport GRAPHIC: Asus Geforce GTX 980 4 GB SSD 1: Samsung 850 Pro 512 GB SSD 2: Samsung 850 Pro 1 TB Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 black pearl Fans: 3x NB- BlackSilent Pro 140mm PK1 CPU-cooler: noctua NH-D15 PSU: Corsair AX860 win 7 pro 64bit/office/mouse+keyb/wifi receiver cinebench: 18,16 passmark: 19130 RENDERSLAVE OPTION 1: CPU: I7-5960x (8 cores overclocked to 4,3 ghz) MOBO: Asus X99-E WS RAM: Crucial DDR4 32 GB 2400mhz - ballistix sport GRAPHIC: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5450 SSD 1: Samsung 850 Pro 256 GB Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 black pearl Fans: 3x NB- BlackSilent Pro 140mm PK1 CPU-cooler: noctua NH-D15 PSU: Corsair AX860 win 7 pro 64bit/office/mouse+keyb/wifi receiver cinebench: 18,16 passmark: 19130 RENDERSLAVE OPTION 2: CPU: dual Xeon E5-2640 V3 (2x8cores - 2,6-3.4ghz) MOBO: Asus Z10PE-D8 WS RAM: Crucial DDR4 32 GB 2400mhz - ballistix sport GRAPHIC: Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5450 SSD 1: Samsung 850 Pro 256 GB Case: Fractal Design Define XL R2 black pearl Fans: 3x NB- BlackSilent Pro 140mm PK1 CPU-cooler: 2X noctua NH-U14S PSU: Corsair AX860 win 7 pro 64bit/office/mouse+keyb/wifi receiver cinebench: 23.4 (according to the dual 2650 v2 which has the same specs) passmark: 19626 What should i take as renderslave? option 1 (5960x) or option 2 (dual xeon e5-2640 v3)? The xeon configuration is about 960 euro more expensive as the 5960x configuration, but according to cinebenchmarks of the xeon e5-2650v2 (same specs as 2640v3) the benchmarks are much higher then 5960x (23.4 and 18.16) I also checked the dual xeon 2650 v2 configuration: it's a bit more expensive and has the same power as the 2640 v3. The 10 core 2650 v3 will go over my budget i'm affraid. Should i put 64 gb instead of 32 gb in the dual xeon in order to have 4gb/core? Further remarks on this configuration always welcome. Thanks again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted October 4, 2014 Share Posted October 4, 2014 Setups are solid, the 4.3GHz overclock on air is a bit optimistic ofc. YMMV a lot. For the 2P setup, going with 6Core CPUs is a waste. Sure, it ends up a tad faster than the 5980X, but for the extra money spent that's not a big feat. IMHO, for 2P you have to go big - 8C/10C and decent clocks, or just go with 2x 5820K nodes & less expensive sub-components - e.g. cheaper cases, why go for WS mobos, 850 Pros etc. DDR4 will also bite a bit for 2x nodes, but I clearly don't know if your projects need 32GB, further than that 64. At any rate, there is lots of cost overhead in the 2P to actually allow for that split - performance will be better with the i7s, question is if you are willing to go through the extra micromanagement setting up 2x nodes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 4, 2014 Author Share Posted October 4, 2014 The e5-2640v3 had 8 cores. So i guess thuis is the best choice for a renderslave. The 2 5960x nodes i'm nog interested in. Whats YMVV? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 Hello Dimitris, Last post was written on my smartphone so it's a bit messy. The e5-2640 v3 has actually the same amount of cores and the same amount of clockspeed as the 2650 v2 (8 cores 2,6-3.4ghz). So i guess this would be a good choice. Adding a two rendernodes 5960x instead of one renderslave dual xeon isn't an option. Like to keep it simple and good quality. Good to hear it's a solid configuration. Now i can order with confidence. Thanks for the advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted October 5, 2014 Share Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) I would also say that such a low clocked 2 CPU 8-core system doesn't make much sense. Especially if overclocking is an option for you as you mentioned... E5-2640v3 - 64GB: 8x 2.8GHz=22.4GHz; x2 = 44.8GHz ~2910€ (excl. VAT) =64,96€/GHz ( http://geizhals.de/?cat=WL-469835 ) 5960X - 32GB: 8x 3.3GHz=26.4GHz; x2 = 52.8GHz ~3250€ =61,56€/GHz overclocked @4GHz=32GHz; x2 = 64GHz =50,79€/GHz ( http://geizhals.de/?cat=WL-457085 ) ( watercooled @ 4.3GHz=34.4GHz; x2 = 68.8GHz maybe +2x100€ =50,15€/GHz ) 5820K - 32GB: 6x 3.4GHz=20.4GHz; overclocked @4.3GHz=25.8GHz x2 = 40.8GHz ~2320€ =56,86€/GHz; overclocked @4.3GHz = 51,6GHz =44,96€/GHz x3 = 61.2GHz ~3480€ =56,86€/GHz ; overclocked @4.3GHz = 77.4GHz =44,96€/GHz ( http://geizhals.de/?cat=WL-469851 ) E5-2660 v3 - 64GB: 10x 2.9GHz=29GHz; x2 = 58GHz ~3630€ =62,59€/GHz http://geizhals.de/?cat=WL-469734 E5-2680 v3 - 64GB: 12x 2.9GHz=34.8GHz; x2 = 69.6GHz ~4130€ =59,34€/GHz ( http://geizhals.de/?cat=WL-469727 ) So you need at least the 12-core system to be faster than two overclocked 8-cores and three 6-cores would be still ~10% faster for ~15% less money (but incl. more admin work and more power consumption...) And you get a much higher single core performance from the overclocked systems. You can overclock the Xeons too in the range of 5-12% btw.! Comparing RAM costs for 2xi7 and dual Xeon systems there will be almost no difference because you need 2x4 modules for the Xeon system for quad channel and to buy 8x4GB wouldn't make much sense today i think (and would be almost the same price as 64GB). The advantage is that you get a 64GB system. So i would say the best options are the overclocked 5960X or 5820K or the 12-core with 64GB. And the last one could be even more interesting if (it fits into you budget and if) you manage to overclock the BCLK to 110MHz which would result in 76,56GHz for ~4160€ =54,33€/GHz Without overclocking the 12-core sys would be the clear winner for me and the single core performance is almost the same for all Xeons and the 5960X with 3.3 and 3.4GHz. And concerning the quality statement... if you don't use ECC RAM there will be absolutely no difference between i7 and Xeon. It is the same CPU with additional functions like ECC and the second QPI for dual CPU usage. And even the benefit of ECC RAM is questionable regarding rendering tasks. But if you think it helps, then you have to change your RAM to ECC - and i would do this for a Xeon system, the price is the same today. Btw. the ASUS Z10PA-D8 dual cpu board looks quite interesting to me with its ATX size - with water cooling or if you take some thinner air cooler like the Thermalright True Spirit 140 or Archon. Edited October 6, 2014 by numerobis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 5, 2014 Author Share Posted October 5, 2014 Hello Numerobis, Thanks for your thoughts. Sure i understand the better performance of 2 5960x nodes vs 1 dual xeon, it's clear to me. But like a posted earlier: i don't want 2 rendernodes (don't want the hassle and the mess since i have a home office). With the quality statement i made i was referring to the ws motherboard the pro ssd's the psu, coolers and so on, not the xeon processor as such. According to cinebench i can make an advantage of 18.16 vs 23.4 score for the extra cost of about 900 euro's (5960x vs dual 2640v3). The 10 core with the aprox. same clockspeed as the 2640 v3 is the 2660 v3 but it would cost about 900 euro's on top of that. Unfortunately my budget is limited. Also it would still beat my current dual xeon 5620. kind regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 6, 2014 Author Share Posted October 6, 2014 f you don't use ECC RAM there will be absolutely no difference between i7 and Xeon. It is the same CPU with additional functions like ECC and the second QPI for dual CPU usage. And even the benefit of ECC RAM is questionable regarding rendering tasks. It seems the asus Z10PE-D8 WS only supports RDIMM and LRDIMM, no UDIMM so have to go for registered DDR4 anyhow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcinpabich Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Does anyone know if Asus Z10PE-D8 WS supports non-ECC memory like Corsair? Previous model had support for this type of ram.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 7, 2014 Author Share Posted October 7, 2014 no it doesn't, only registered. clockspeed also limited to 2133 mhz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Does anyone know if Asus Z10PE-D8 WS supports non-ECC memory like Corsair? Previous model had support for this type of ram.. no it doesn't, only registered. clockspeed also limited to 2133 mhz. It doesn't require ECC ram, it requires Registered (which is also ECC) RDIMMs... Pricing is not horrible, but it is notably higher than both UDIMM DDR4 (plain RAM) and unregistered ECC DDR4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 8, 2014 Author Share Posted October 8, 2014 2x16GB RDIM DDR4 (registered) at 2133 from crucial cost about 425 euro. crucial ballistix sport 4x8GB (non-registered) at 2400 cost about 432 euro. So it's even 7 euro's cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcinpabich Posted October 27, 2014 Share Posted October 27, 2014 In shops there are now only Kingston and Crucial (Micron) ECC sticks, Micron in opposite to Kingston is producing chips and they are cheaper so i would take Crucial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nileshbhagwat Posted October 28, 2014 Share Posted October 28, 2014 why you dont go for hp workstation regards http://www.3ddesignmodelss.in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krimson2580 Posted October 28, 2014 Author Share Posted October 28, 2014 because it's more expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nileshbhagwat Posted October 29, 2014 Share Posted October 29, 2014 ok fine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcinpabich Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 For anyone who want build dual xeon machine with massive air coolers for cpus here is the official answers from Noctua about NH-D15/U14S/U12S (motherboard Asus Z10PE-D8-WS): Two NH-D15 cooler are indeed a quite heavy load for a mainboard, especially on LGA2011 where the coolers are installed on the socket ILM and not on a backplate of our own design. While it would probably work, personally I would rather stay away from it and opt for smaller heatsinks or take some measures to easy the strain on the mainboard. Apart from that you will run into troubles if you must use the first PCIe x16 slot. Even with a smaller cooler like the NH-U12S you are not entirely trouble free as it would limit the available length for cards in the first slot. If this is not an issue for you, then you can either take the NH-U12S, which should be sufficient for these processors with good case ventilation in place, or the NH-U14S (same width as the NH-d15) which has similar performance than a NH-D15 at stock clocks but is a bit lighter. Regardless of the cooler you actually choose, if you are going to transport the system between different places and not just from one room to another I would recommend to remove the coolers for transport. Kind regards, Andreas Karner Noctua support team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderSK Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 I told my PC maker (tichepc.sk) I was worried even with 2x U14s (but only 2 fans) travelling but he assured me it's ok and just sent it :- D It arrived fine.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcinpabich Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Juraj can You tell which mobo screws can't be mounted with Z10PE/Z9PE in Define XL R2 case? It is like i draw on case picture with X symbol so only in one place there won't be a screw or diffrent way? Or screws should be in totally diffrent holes? I think i would go with NH-D15. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyderSK Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Hey I don't know from head and I can't be bothered to open it up, but I think only single one doesn't match between CEB and E-ATX ? It wasn't issue at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marcinpabich Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I found also very interesting silent case Nanoxia Deep Silence 6 (http://www.nanoxia-world.com/product/1/55/Deep+Silence+6+). Looks very promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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