wildeagle Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 Hello , i have 16 GB ram 1600 mhz and have't any ssd drive is that better upgrade ram to 32 GB or buy an SSD drive?? ( samsung 840 pro 128 ) i use 3ds max , vray , PS which one is better and more effective? thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdravko Barisic Posted July 5, 2014 Share Posted July 5, 2014 More RAM. SSD will bring more life into your overall performance, but when it comes to the real task, and it is pure rednering, it has no impact at all, unless you scratch the page file, but with 32GB there is no need for page file. So, for me, it is very clear answer, if you have money for only one choice, it is more RAM! You will have no benefit when it comes to huge scenes, 2-3 3ds max instances opened+ PS + some cad app, etc... Go for more ram. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildeagle Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 thanks Zdravko , for ram , difference between 1600 mhz bus and 2400 mhz bus is sensible in 3ds max and vray? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) Hello , i have 16 GB ram 1600 mhz and have't any ssd drive is that better upgrade ram to 32 GB or buy an SSD drive?? ( samsung 840 pro 128 ) i use 3ds max , vray , PS which one is better and more effective? thanks i would say this depends on your needs... If you see, that 16GB is not enough for your work, you should add more. Just take a look at the taskmanager. And concerning the SSD... a Samsung 840 EVO should be enough, if you are low on funds. There is not much difference - only in price. (but avoid the normal 840 without PRO or EVO!) for ram , difference between 1600 mhz bus and 2400 mhz bus is sensible in 3ds max and vray? It would be interesting to know you system specs, but normally more than 1600MHz or 1866MHz will not give you any real improvement. Edited July 6, 2014 by numerobis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildeagle Posted July 6, 2014 Author Share Posted July 6, 2014 i would say this depends on your needs... If you see, that 16GB is not enough for your work, you should add more. Just take a look at the taskmanager. And concerning the SSD... a Samsung 840 EVO should be enough, if you are low on funds. There is not much difference - only in price. (but avoid the normal 840 without PRO or EVO!) EVO is TLC and PRO is MLC my friend TLC has less life time and MLC is more reliable regarding my upgrade , in 60% of my projects i need more ram in render time ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zdravko Barisic Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 thanks Zdravko , for ram , difference between 1600 mhz bus and 2400 mhz bus is sensible in 3ds max and vray? Not at all, difference should be 0.5-1% maximum, so buy cheapest solid RAM, and take care about the height of ram modules due to your CPU cooler, if you have som Noctua or similar. And you can buy some used/ secon hand SSD in your local market? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
numerobis Posted July 6, 2014 Share Posted July 6, 2014 (edited) EVO is TLC and PRO is MLC my friend TLC has less life time and MLC is more reliable. Sure, the Pro has better NAND, that's why it costs ~50% more... But is it needed for a workstation with normal workload? http://www.anandtech.com/show/7173/samsung-ssd-840-evo-review-120gb-250gb-500gb-750gb-1tb-models-tested/3 http://us.hardware.info/reviews/4178/10/hardwareinfo-tests-lifespan-of-samsung-ssd-840-250gb-tlc-ssd-updated-with-final-conclusion-final-update-20-6-2013 http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm/page218 The normal 840 from the xtremesystems test had written 432TB before it died - if you would write (! not read) 100GB every day this drive would last more than 4433 days... that's more than 12 years. Are you writing 100GB every day? And do you plan to use it at this level for 12 years? I don't... - ok, maybe with suspend to disk 5 times a day or if your system is always paging. But with heavy page file usage you have another problem. The erosion starts at around 100TB in this review - presumably earlier but they didn't monitor it... http://techreport.com/review/26058/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-data-retention-after-600tb But even if it is much worse compared to the MLC drives in the test it is still only 3GB in those reallocated sectors after 600TB (!) and the drive has an overprovisioned area of 23GB. Sure, MLC can do much more... http://techreport.com/review/26523/the-ssd-endurance-experiment-casualties-on-the-way-to-a-petabyte/3 http://www.ssdaddict.com/ss/Endurance/Endurance_cr_latest.png http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?271063-SSD-Write-Endurance-25nm-Vs-34nm Edited July 6, 2014 by numerobis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted July 7, 2014 Share Posted July 7, 2014 If you needed RAM, your software would have "complained" by now. Unless you are flirting with 90+% RAM utilization, there is little likelihood that you will see any speed improvement in real life getting more RAM, and almost none by upgrading from 1600Mhz DDR3 to something faster - regardless of capacity. Faster than 1866 RAM favors only IGP / APUs in a meaningful way. If what you want is "spend some money" and get an upgrade "fix" along with notable speed bump, sure, an SSD will do it. But it is not mandatory in any way. As numerobis already mentioned (with "relative" scientific proof) there is no practical need for MLC NAND for most consumers. A quality 840 EVO or M500 etc, coming from manufacturers with nearly perfect reliability record, should suffice. Applied life expectancy should be the same for most users, and there is practically no way to "feel" speed differences with current generation products outside benchmarks. Ofc both should feel blazingly faster than any HDD. I would get a bigger TLC 840 EVO over a smaller MLC 840 "pro", any day and twice on Sundays . Also, SSD erosion doesn't threaten your data - at least not in a comparable way HDD failure does. Drives get a tad slower over years and years, some cells might be suspended and unable to receive more writes, but you can read data just fine regardless. By the time this "degradation" becomes an issue - say 6-7 years or more down the road - this SSD drive will be kinda obsolete. It's like holding onto your PATA 133 or SATA 150 HDD today for installing your OS etc...just doesn't worth talking about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildeagle Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 thanks friends first of all i will get ssd and then upgrade ram to 32 GB . at all , I need both of them regarding SSD : "samsung 840 EVO 120 GB" is better or "Plextor M5P 128 GB" ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildeagle Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 http://ssdboss.com/ssds/Samsung-840-EVO-120-GB-SATA-III-vs-Plextor-PX-M5P-128-GB-SATA-III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildeagle Posted July 9, 2014 Author Share Posted July 9, 2014 It would be interesting to know you system specs, but normally more than 1600MHz or 1866MHz will not give you any real improvement. cpu: 3770 k main: asus z77-v vga:msi 770 oc ram : corsair 8*2 1600 ........ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dimitris Tolios Posted July 10, 2014 Share Posted July 10, 2014 The M5 Pro is the better drive of the two - it is actually a competitor of the 840 Pro, being MLC and the such. But again, I would rather spend the money for a 250GB EVO, than go for any 120/128GB MLC. The EVO is as fast as it matters to be, and I feel 120GB are far too little. Of course that also depends on what kind of stuff you are running in your PC. In my work PC I have a 256 840 Pro and it is @ 60% capacity. Home I had a 256 GB Crucial M4 SSD that was nearly full, and I've switched to a 500 EVO 6m ago - I am not looking back. I don't have "just" a couple of Adobe & Autodesk apps @ home (spell games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wildeagle Posted July 10, 2014 Author Share Posted July 10, 2014 i plan to get evo 250 , there is compare between evo 250 and m5P 128: http://ssdboss.com/ssds/Samsung-840-EVO-250-GB-SATA-III-vs-Plextor-PX-M5P-128-GB-SATA-III Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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